Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals.

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Date	2013-05-10 01:43 -0700
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Subject	Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals.
From	Steve <nospam275@gmail.com>

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Paul Rubin wrote:
> Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> writes:
> > Is Java card the one used in phone sims?
>
> Yes.
>
> > People don't realise having the lowest powered per performance
> > processor gives you a big advahtage in these applications.
>
> The main applications of javacard involve public key cryptography which
> needs fast multiplication.  There were discussions on this newsgroup a
> while back about the GA144's power efficiency at multiplication compared
> with a conventional low powered DSP and they were either inconclusive or
> unfavorable to the GA144 depending on your point of view.  The issue is
> that DSP's have dedicated multiplication hardware while the GA144 takes
> an efficiency hit by having to multiply in software.

Sorry Paul and Elisabeth, I was referring to low powered applications
like Sims and rings, rather than Java devices or cryptology.  People
seem to act like misc is a no advantage to use, so I was pointing out
that it has one major advantage at least.  I actually sense there is a
strong and illogical anti misc vibe going around that has no place in
this thread.  It is not with any credibility people are doing this,
just smells like bias.  There should have been a blank line between
that statement and the one about java card, my apologies for confusing
it.

> > I would even use the GA4 for a simple one, if the interfacing was not
> > so bad (memory and comms).  Could you imagine if they put a 18bit ram
> > execution space, or four, on even the existing chip package?

Sorry, the left out blank line again.  I was definitely referring to a
ring here separately from the sim.

> There were two models of the java ibutton.  One had 6k of ram and the
> other had 132k if I remember right.  I think they both used an
> 8051-derived core.

6k, I remember back to the days of the Atari 2600, up to before the
Commodore 64 area, what could be done with 6k. :-)

To think, we could have had 8051/z8 and 80, forth watches and rings
years ago.

Thanks for your time Paul.

Steve.

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