Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals.

Date	2013-05-08 21:30 -1000
From	"Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com>
Organization	FORTH, Inc.
Newsgroups	comp.lang.forth
Subject	Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals.
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On 5/8/13 9:17 PM, Paul Rubin wrote:
> Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> writes:
>> Is Java card the one used in phone sims?
>
> Yes.
>
>> People don't realise having the lowest powered per performance
>> processor gives you a big advahtage in these applications.
>
> The main applications of javacard involve public key cryptography which
> needs fast multiplication.  There were discussions on this newsgroup a
> while back about the GA144's power efficiency at multiplication compared
> with a conventional low powered DSP and they were either inconclusive or
> unfavorable to the GA144 depending on your point of view.  The issue is
> that DSP's have dedicated multiplication hardware while the GA144 takes
> an efficiency hit by having to multiply in software.

You don't need a GA144. FORTH, Inc. produced smart card apps between 4 
and 10 times faster than Java in the late 90's, even without specialized 
DSP hardware (although some chip mfrs aiming at smart card apps do have 
DSP instructions). We had a version for some AVR parts used in smart 
cards. But Java's political clout (it was adopted as a "standard" by 
VISA) was to much to overcome.

We developed all the cryptography code in the 90s as part of the OTA 
project.

Cheers,
Elizabeth

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Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-04-29 02:31 -0700
  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-30 11:47 -0400
  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-04-30 12:05 -0400
    Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 07:58 -0700
      Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 11:35 -0400
        Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 09:23 -0700
          Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-01 19:27 +0000
            Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 21:50 -0700
          Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 17:21 -0400
            Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-05-04 07:47 -1000
            Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 09:44 -0700
              Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 17:34 -0400
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 22:57 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 11:49 -0400
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 09:36 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 07:50 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 08:19 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 08:19 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-07 19:09 +0000
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 22:36 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 00:14 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 02:40 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 04:19 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-08 09:55 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 10:18 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-08 11:37 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 12:39 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-09 00:17 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-05-08 21:30 -1000
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2013-05-19 17:00 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-10 01:43 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 12:20 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-08 13:41 +0000
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 10:51 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 09:31 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 10:41 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-15 00:59 -0400
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2013-05-14 22:46 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-14 23:13 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2013-05-16 09:40 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-05-16 12:46 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-19 04:58 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-05-19 09:52 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-19 17:34 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-19 20:46 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-19 23:29 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-05-20 00:51 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-20 02:12 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-05-20 04:19 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-20 05:41 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-20 05:47 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-20 08:45 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-05-20 09:12 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-20 19:18 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-05-25 00:21 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-27 05:43 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-14 22:54 -0700
    Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 08:20 -0700
  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2013-04-30 09:40 -0700
    Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 08:14 -0700
      Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 15:37 -0700
        Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 23:10 -0700
          Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 23:52 -0700
  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 09:54 -0700
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  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Update1 Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-01 10:06 -0700
  Update 2 Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-02 02:36 -0700
    Re: Update 2 Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-02 02:37 -0700
    Re: Update 2 Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-02 11:08 +0000
      Re: Update 2 Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-02 08:07 -0700
      Re: Update 2 Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Roberto Waltman <usenet@rwaltman.com> - 2013-05-03 15:07 -0400
  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-02 08:38 -0700
    Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 13:28 -0700
      Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2013-05-19 16:21 -0700
  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-03 01:37 -0700
    Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-05-03 04:03 -0500
      Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-05-03 08:19 -1000
        Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-03 13:46 -0700
      Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-03 14:47 -0700
    Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2013-05-03 02:40 -0700
      Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-03 14:20 -0700
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      Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 10:35 -0700
    Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-04 10:48 +0000
      Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 01:04 -0700
        Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-05-04 22:24 -1000
          Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl (Albert van der Horst) - 2013-05-05 09:52 +0000
            Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 08:46 -0700
              Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-05-05 08:10 -1000
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-05-05 13:12 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 21:17 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-05-05 19:39 -1000
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-05 23:51 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2013-05-05 21:19 -1000
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-06 01:35 -0700
              Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. the_gavino_himself <visphatesjava@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 13:58 -0700
                Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 23:55 -0700
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  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-03 02:11 -0700
  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-03 02:19 -0700
  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-03 11:21 -0700
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  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-03 15:24 -0700
  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-07 06:16 -0700
    Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 03:49 -0700
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    Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-08 20:04 -0700
  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-10 02:26 -0700
    Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-10 02:31 -0700
    Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-10 23:53 -0400
  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-14 10:14 -0700
  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-16 07:23 -0700
    Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Alex McDonald <blog@rivadpm.com> - 2013-05-16 12:52 -0700
  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-19 23:46 -0700
    Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. visualforth@rocketmail.com - 2013-05-20 00:09 -0700
      Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-20 00:53 -0700
  Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Steve <nospam275@gmail.com> - 2013-05-27 08:11 -0700
    Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-05-27 08:27 -0700
      Re: Misc Expansion, OS's, development and project proposals. rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2013-05-27 11:42 -0400

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