Re: The Map Is Not The Territory

From	rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: The Map Is Not The Territory
Date	2012-07-01 14:12 -0700
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On Jul 1, 12:14 pm, Howerd <howe...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Jul 1, 4:54 am, rickman <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Jun 30, 1:46 pm, Jason Damisch <jasondami...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > will they have a competitor to world of warcraft soon?
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> > > I could take these posts a few different ways.  I just hope that you aren't trying to discourage my buddy Chuck.
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> > > Jason
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> > I've got nothing against going poetic with your work, but I have some
> > real issues with the "work" Chuck is doing at the moment.  I was
> > reading about his effort to use the GA144 as a video controller and
> > when I read the part about the video being generated on the fly rather
> > than read from memory, I realized that he is indeed following a path
> > less traveled.  I have no idea how he can do anything other than
> > produce a text display (like they described in "TV Typewriter
> > Cookbook" some 30 years ago) and I expect he doesn't either.  I get
> > the impression he is playing, not working.
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> > Rick
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> Hi Rick,
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> I find it fascinating that our observations seem to be the same, but
> our conclusions are very different :
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> > I was
> > reading about his effort to use the GA144 as a video controller and
> > when I read the part about the video being generated on the fly rather
> > than read from memory, I realized that he is indeed following a path
> > less traveled.
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> This blew my mind - I love the less travelled roads :-)
> I was also blown away by how Chuck then designed a special Forth to do
> just this. And, no it is not ANS compliant ;-)
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> > I have no idea how he can do anything other than
> > produce a text display (like they described in "TV Typewriter
> > Cookbook" some 30 years ago) and I expect he doesn't either.
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> Exactly - but that is all that his current project requires.
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> > I get the impression he is playing, not working.
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> Absolutely! Work should be fun.
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> > but I have some
> > real issues with the "work" Chuck is doing at the moment.
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> So what exactly are your issues? That Chuck is following a less
> travelled road, that he is only solving his immediate problem, or that
> he is having fun?
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> Its now about 33 years since I randomly came across microForth for the
> CDP1802, and started pondering what on earth it was all about.
> Chucks latest foray into uncharted territory has inspired me yet
> again :-)

My issues are with the fact that the GA144 has been out for a year and
there are still no decent app notes that explain how to design it into
anything useful.  I have a number of ideas, but I can't pitch it to a
potential customer until I know the device can do the jobs I have in
mind.

Yes, work should be fun, but it is still work and something useful
should be accomplished.  I can do a text based video display with a
standard single processor MCU and a little CPLD glue.  Why would I
care that Chuck can do it with 144 memory starved nanoprocessors?  The
advantage of the conventional MCU is that I can get high speed USB for
free and likely other types of IO as well, not to mention app notes
that actually app to something useful!

Rick

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      Re: The Map Is Not The Territory John Passaniti <john.passaniti@gmail.com> - 2012-06-28 13:19 -0700
        Re: The Map Is Not The Territory dambere@web.de - 2012-06-29 14:29 -0700
  Re: The Map Is Not The Territory quiet_lad <gavcomedy@gmail.com> - 2012-06-29 14:44 -0700
    Re: The Map Is Not The Territory "Elizabeth D. Rather" <erather@forth.com> - 2012-06-29 12:17 -1000
    Re: The Map Is Not The Territory rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-06-29 16:15 -0700
  Re: The Map Is Not The Territory quiet_lad <gavcomedy@gmail.com> - 2012-06-29 14:43 -0700
    Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Jason Damisch <jasondamisch@yahoo.com> - 2012-06-30 10:46 -0700
      Re: The Map Is Not The Territory rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-06-30 19:54 -0700
        Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-01 09:14 -0700
          Re: The Map Is Not The Territory rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-07-01 14:12 -0700
        Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-07-01 20:40 +0200
          Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-01 12:15 -0700
            Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-07-01 23:52 +0200
          Re: The Map Is Not The Territory rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-07-01 14:41 -0700
            Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-07-02 00:23 +0200
              Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-07-05 00:06 -0700
                Re: The Map Is Not The Territory rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-07-05 10:49 -0700
              Re: The Map Is Not The Territory rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-07-05 10:38 -0700
                Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-07-06 02:22 +0200
                Re: The Map Is Not The Territory rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-07-05 18:57 -0700
                Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-06 02:13 -0700
                Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2012-07-07 01:11 +0200
                Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-07-06 10:58 +0000
                Re: The Map Is Not The Territory rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-07-06 06:00 -0700
                Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-07-06 20:41 -0700
                Re: The Map Is Not The Territory rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-07-07 06:56 -0700
                Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-07-07 21:45 -0700
                Re: The Map Is Not The Territory rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-07-08 15:53 -0700
                Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-07-08 21:08 -0700
                Re: The Map Is Not The Territory rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-07-09 16:32 -0700
              Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Brad Eckert <hwfwguy@gmail.com> - 2012-07-05 13:22 -0700
            Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Mark Wills <markrobertwills@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-02 01:26 -0700
              Re: The Map Is Not The Territory stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2012-07-02 10:15 +0000
            Re: The Map Is Not The Territory "Paul E. Bennett" <Paul_E.Bennett@topmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-02 19:28 +0100
  Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-07-01 11:35 +0000
    Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Howerd <howerdo@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-01 09:31 -0700
      Re: The Map Is Not The Territory Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2012-07-01 14:03 -0700
        Re: The Map Is Not The Territory rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-07-01 14:57 -0700
    Re: The Map Is Not The Territory rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2012-07-01 14:50 -0700

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