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Re: The Beep Function.

From	"DaveO" <djo@dial.pipex.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.basic.visual.misc
Subject	Re: The Beep Function.
Date	2012-01-17 16:50 +0000
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"Peter Nolan" <peter.nolan40@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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On Jan 17, 2:17 pm, "DaveO" <d...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> "Peter Nolan" <peter.nola...@gmail.com> wrote in message

For Linux I would have suggested using Ubuntu but they have changed the 
desktop manager to the unpopular Unity but as you are used to Macs you might 
not find Unity as jarring as many other have found it, you can use KDE with 
Ubuntu but that's a bit trickier to set up. The installation of Ubuntu is 
absurdly simple. On my home PC because of the difficulty in making Windows 
fully secure I never go online with Windows but instead dual boot into 
Ubuntu figuring that it is a) a lot less vulnerable and b) a doddle to 
reinstall should it go tits-up.



The figure of $6000 is not that different for any business PC regardless of 
the OS. That cost is a mixture of depreciation, a fraction of the 
administrator, recurring software subscription charges and factored one off 
software charges, power & network charges, user training and a host of other 
expenses which all mount up over the lifetime of a PC. Compare that against 
doing the same work with a typewriter and slide rule and it's a bargain. 
(yes I remember how to use, and still own a slide rule)



As for the trouble caused by Windows PCs, well I have been using computers 
of various kinds since before microprocessors were readily available (I 
first learned on a Varian v70 minicomputer then a crappy IBM 1130 before I 
got my hands on a microprocessor based machine) and still maintain that even 
accounting for its many failings Windows is a remarkable achievement. 
Compared to CP/M, George, OS/2, NeXtStep or BSD it is the epitome of 
reliability and user friendliness.



You go on about how reliable cars are now but you ignore my point about the 
non-interchangeability of car components compared to the massive 
interchangeability of PC components. If you tried to swap car parts like you 
can swap PC parts then no car would ever run for more than a few miles 
before needing repair



As for insight into the wonderful real world then considering I am actually 
working in a real company with a few hundred Windows machines and do some 
administration of them, before that I worked for an Internet provider and 
have been pretty much involved one way or another for most of my working 
life while on the other hand you are a (retired?) physicist who probably 
spent most of your career nestled in academia and insulated from the 
commercial world. Sorry but I suspect it is your illusions that a dose of 
reality would shatter.



Regards

DaveO

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