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Re: The Beep Function.

From	Schmidt <sss@online.de>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.basic.visual.misc
Subject	Re: The Beep Function.
Date	2012-01-15 17:39 +0100
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Am 15.01.2012 12:39, schrieb Peter Nolan:

> My beef is simple. I'm deeply upset by what DaveO calls the MS eco
> system and so annoyed that Bill Gates has a stranglehold on PC
> software. If Windoows was solid I wouldn't feel so bad but it's not
> and while errors are corrected in each new upgrade the new versions
> are full of new errors in the new features that are being added on
> and so on it goes forever meaning we the public never get a good OS.

Define "good OS"... ;-)

An OS is responsible, to allow the interaction
of different hardware-parts over a software-
layer, which does make usage of these hardware-
parts and devices easier in the "Userland-layer"
(the layer, where "normal Programs run on" finally).
This is achieved over more or less "standardized" APIs,
which talk finally (under the covers) to "driver-software",
which in turn is managed by "the kernel" of the OS.

Such a mechanism, being entirely free of any errors
is a goal, which will never be accomplished, I think.

Mostly due to the fact, that many drivers are
not even known to the current OS or kernel
at the time of an OS-release.
There is a constant stream of new (pluggable)
devices (and their new drivers), which an released OS
needs to be able to "consume and understand" - be it
a new graphics-card on PCI-e or a new USB-device.

Pluggable, new devices is (and was) always the beauty
of a PC - it was open to a whole lot of additional
hardware-extensions (with the just mentioned caveats,
in case the drivers were not error-free, or were
hitting a so far unknown quirk in the communication
with the kernel).

The "Apple-machines" (at least the early ones -
the new ones are also open for extensions over
FireWire or USB, etc.) always had the advantage
of a "more calculatable Hardware-Universe" on
which they were build, and thus somewhat "more
reliable and stable".


> This is just wrong and there is nothing we can do.
I'd say, your above sentence is "just wrong" too... ;-)

If you are into "we, the public" - and - "we need to do
something about it" ... well, there's tens of thousands
of developers, who thought the same (already decades ago).

The result is "free software" at all levels:
At the OS-Level (Linux, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, etc.)
At the Userland-Level (FireFox, OpenOffice, MySQL, Python, etc.)

So it is entirely your choice, what you will use
on your PCs hardware (you are not "condemned" to sail
within the "MS-software-universe").

> Governments could do a lot but Gates has many Republican friends...
Since you wrote in plural ("Governments") - I don't
quite see, what it has to do with "Republican friends"... ;-)

There are many governments (Brazil, Russia, China, etc.)
who have put the use of more OpenSource-software on their
agendas, and encourage its usage (in favour of the MS-stack).

Also there's a whole load of new devices (tablets and
phones for example), which already do use an adapted
Linux-kernel (Android, MeeGo, HPs WebOS), to run
their software-stack on top of it.

So, this part of your "rant" (the "political side" -
in the sense of "we are tied forever to the MS-OS")
is not very well founded - since you are free, to use
alternatives immediately, it's only a download and a
CD-Iso-burn away...

As for the technical side of your rant (a missing
"completely error-free OS") - that's something we
could talk about - and although not reachable, there's
surely things which could be done, to make an OS
less error-prone, perhaps starting with "loosing fat again"
(in terms of complexity, introducing the KISS-principle anew).


Olaf

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