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"Peter Nolan" <peter.nolan40@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandet 
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On Jan 17, 2:17 pm, "DaveO" <d...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> "Peter Nolan" <peter.nola...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:49709546-d9bb-4e14-8c92-35781785fd59@g27g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 16, 2:39 pm, "DaveO" <d...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> > "Peter Nolan" <peter.nola...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> You are missing the point:
>
> >I want to point out that when my keyboard froze in the
> >middle of typing a email, hunt and peck style, I had no reset button
> >and had to press alt-ctrl-del
>
> If the keyboard was "frozen" then pressing Ctrl Alt Delete would have no
> effect. If Ctrl Alt Delete did work then the keyboard was not frozen. You
> cannot have it both ways. If the keyboard was locked then the mouse should
> still work to allow you to close and possibly save your work, if the mouse
> did not work then the PC was crashed however what I suspect was the case 
> is
> that the application had frozen and the keyboard and mouse were perfectly
> fine except in the stricken program.
>
> The TCO of a PC is more than the purchase price regardless of the 
> operating
> system but overall Apple seem to have the higher TCO than Windows and then
> Linux is generally cheapest. (Apple hardware and software is more 
> expensive
> and there are a lot more experienced Windows administrators than Apple 
> ones
> so the Apple ones can command a higher salary. Linux admins are also 
> scarce
> and relatively expensive but the software is on average significantly
> cheaper)
>
> You rail against Microsoft but you use Windows, Bill Gates is (probably) 
> not
> holding a gun to your head so you are free to dump everything from them 
> but
> you don't, why is this when there a several workable alternatives out 
> there?
> Could it be that Windows works better for you than the alternatives? Could
> it be that you know Windows and are loathe to learn how to use something
> different? Could it be that you like having something to complain about?
>
> Commercially while Windows does have unforeseen costs they are trivial
> compared to the cost of retraining an entire workforce to use something 
> else
> which is why for the short term at least, Windows is here to stay.
>
> DaveO

Hello DaveO,

My clear memory is that while none of the keys on the keyboard worked
alt-ctrl-del would sometimes work to reboot the PC. When I say that
the keyboard froze I meant that none of the keys would respond apart
from the sequence alt-ctrl-del. That's how it worked. Trust me! When
the keyboard wouldn't respond the mouse invariably failed as well.
I abandoned using a Windows PC in 2006 when I bought a Mac Mini and
then soon after that a very expensive, to me, Mac iBook G4. I haven't
used a Windows PC for many years. I really must check out running a PC
under Linux and I had documentation on that but setting the whole
thing up seemed to me to be very sensitive to one's making a mistake.
It was for that reason and other reasons I haven't gotten round to
doing that. I heard about all that years ago from a fellow physicist
whom I was talking to over the phone.
I have had a virtually trouble free experience emailing and surfing
the Internet with the iBook. I don't even have any virus protection on
the iBook because the hackers are leaving the Mac's alone. Still I am
not happy for the simple reason that Mac's are over priced by about
50% for what they actually do. I do not like the arty appearance of
the iBook itself sitting there white and shiny. This is what the
customer is paying for though, the white and shiny bit. It's really
early days and young people today can look forward to better days.
It's only a matter of time before Windows PC's will be obsolete but
not in my lifetime sadly.To say that what we have today will be the
future too in the infancy of personal computing today is just
ridiculous.
Years ago I was in communication with a top gun electronic design
engineer from New York who told me at that time it cost companies
$6000 per year to keep each PC up and running in the US. That's a 6
with three not two zeroes after it. I knew this but didn't tell you.
If you are really want to know how bad things are you will have to
research all this yourself. I have just given you a figure that is a
measure of the extent of the problem but it will be up to you to use
the Internet to get the facts and figures that will show you how bad
things are.
You say people get a lot from the PC that is more than the trouble
they experience so that the whole thing balances out. I have thought
for years that Bill Gates goes to bed each night and really does fall
asleep by telling himself just that. He knows all about the problems
but he tells himself that some work actually gets done. It's like
saying that all is well when someone gets in a car that breaks down
when the driver and passengers are only half way there but that at
least they got halfway there to where they wanted to go. Thank heavens
car companies sell cars that get us all the way there in most cases.
I don't mean to shatter your illusions but you appear to have no
insight into what is actually happening in the real world of the
Windows PC and till you check all this out yourself with ruthless
objectivity you will continue to live in a fantasy world.

Regards,

Peter.

I've followed this threed, and find it amazing that the only one NOT using a 
PC with Windows is the one knowing most about how bad a combination that 
is!? Personally I have used Windows since 3.1 and had none of the mentioned 
problems, and I have LOTS of apps installed. As Dave have pointed out, 
problems allmost always have the root in badly written 3:rd party drivers.

/Henning

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