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Re: The Beep Function.

From	"DaveO" <djo@dial.pipex.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.basic.visual.misc
Subject	Re: The Beep Function.
Date	2012-01-13 11:06 +0000
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"Peter Nolan" <peter.nolan40@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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>in Qbasic for example I as a intuitive physicist want to know about
>every process that happens inside the machine from the sending of the
>return character into the computer's deepest place and so on.



The first computer I built, and by "built" I mean hand soldered from a 
design published in Wireless World, none of this sissy Sinclair junk, was 
based on a Z80 with a calculator chip as a sort of maths coprocessor. On 
that I was able to program directly in machine code (assembler is for 
wimps!) and I knew exactly what was happening. However in 30 years or so 
since then CPUs have got a tiny bit more complex., the instruction set is 
far more complex and the architecture of the chip is too complicated for 
anybody to fully understand, each member of the design team will fully 
understand their part and have a broad understanding of other parts but no 
individual person will understand exactly how every part of the chip 
functions. As a physicist you should recognise emergent complexity when you 
see it so any attempt to follow the course of an electron through the chip 
is doomed to fail before you start. There is no shame in treating the CPU as 
a "black box" where input A gives output B.



>If I run into problems in the lab doing physics I just dive in with
>gusto to solve every problem I have ever encountered and that also
>includes making little programs work to do a job.



So what's the problem? Ramping a variable for the first and last n steps of 
a loop is pretty trivial however I've no idea if it will actually work to 
fade in and out the WAV, the easiest way to find out would be to try it out. 
Never be intimidated by error messages, it's really hard to do any real 
damage in software, generally the worst that can happen is the PC will need 
to be re-booted, not exactly a catastrophe. Also you can learn a lot more 
when things fail. You know that a negative result is not necessarily a bad 
thing, if the LHC fails to locate the Higgs boson it's not the end of the 
world, much the opposite for it will open up a new phase of  physics as the 
theoreticians try to work out what confers mass and the experimentalists see 
if they are right, it would be quite exciting.



DaveO

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