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Re: Very good rant about our loving linux

From Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.os.linux.mint
Subject Re: Very good rant about our loving linux
Date 2026-03-09 10:43 -0700
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rbowman wrote:
> Mike Easter wrote:
> 
>> They decided that they were going to have to bail on the KDE end.
>> 
>> They decided that they were going to have to jettison where/how
>> Gnome was going, by forking that.
> 
> Was there any reason they dropped KDE? To clarify, as they started
> the Cinnamon fork I can see where they ultimately had to, but rather
> than trying to fix GNOME3, why not dump GNOME completely and stick
> with KDE and Xfce?  I suppose then the question would be why not
> Kubuntu and Xbunutu?
> 
The problem from the LM perspective was what was happening to Gnome ala
Gnome Shell, considered a departure from a conventional desktop.

So, there was a fork in the direction of Gnome2's nature. The toolkit
was GTK, whereas KDE is a Qt. I think they had their hands full w/o
having to keep up w/ everything KDE, which was another whole ball of wax.

> Nothing wrong with Cinnamon but it seems like a lot of work.

Not only the work of Cinnamon, but also bringing the xapps together and
mint tools.

The Mint Dev site tells some of the backstory:

> Between 2006 and 2010 the main desktop environment for Linux Mint
> was GNOME 2. It was very stable and very popular.
> 
> In 2011, Linux Mint 12 was unable to ship with GNOME 2. The upstream
> GNOME team had released a brand new desktop (GNOME 3 aka “Gnome
> Shell”) which was using new technologies (Clutter, GTK3), which had
> a completely different design and implemented a radically different
> paradigm than its predecessor but which used the same namespaces and
> thus it couldn’t be installed alongside GNOME 2. Following the
> decision from Debian to upgrade GNOME to version 3, GNOME 2 was no
> longer available in Linux Mint.

There's a lot more in the Cinnamon section

https://linuxmint-developer-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/cinnamon.html

Another dev forked to Mate; while LM went via 'MGSE' which was 'Mint 
Gnome Shell Extension' to work its way to Cinnamon.


-- 
Mike Easter

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