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Re: Very good rant about our loving linux

From RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.os.linux.mint
Subject Re: Very good rant about our loving linux
Date 2026-03-06 18:13 +0000
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On 2026-03-06, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 3/6/2026 6:07 AM, RonB wrote:
>> On 2026-03-05, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3/5/2026 11:06 AM, Mike Easter wrote:
>>>> Axel wrote:
>>>>> Why do you use XFCE in preference to Cinnamon?
>>>>
>>>> I use Cinnamon as my everyday driver, but I also like for my 'dabbling' distro/s to be lighter weight, all the way down to WMs instead of DEs.
>>>>
>>>> XFCE is on the lighter side; such as Gnome is certainly a heavyweight. Historically KDE has been 'all over the map' sometimes as low as XFCE and sometimes as high as they come.
>>>>
>>>> I'm happy that T Pearson has continued to keep Trinity DE fork of old KDE alive along w/ his fork of old Qt for a nice lightweight DE.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And we only emphasize this notion of "light weight" as
>>> a response to the capabilities of the computer.
>>>
>>> With Grahams 4400+ for example, a dual core Athlon64 at 2.2GHz or so,
>>> if the graphics acceleration worked, we might not have
>>> to pamper the thing.
>>>
>>> Where we get in trouble, is if the graphics driver reverts
>>> to little better than a frame buffer (XY array of pixels,
>>> no acceleration). The processor is then tasked with doing
>>> all the graphics operations itself. This leaves little horsepower
>>> for running Firefox internals.
>>>
>>> Whereas, when your processor has a lot of cores, then it is OK
>>> for some cores to do the graphics. My daily driver has 8 cores,
>>> so it's not all that powerful, but if the worst behavior
>>> I've seen is 4 cores railed while doing graphics, I have 4 cores
>>> left for running Firefox :-) That's where the extra cores come
>>> in handy. Relatively speaking, it does not matter whether
>>> I run XFCE or I run Cinnamon then.
>>>
>>> My laptop with the one core, where the one core is equal
>>> to half of Grahams processor, the situation for it is
>>> going to require a more economical distro (Puppy maybe
>>> or the TinyCore I tested).
>>>
>>>    Paul
>> 
>> I've got Linux Mint Cinnamon 22.1 running on a Dell Latitude 3180, which was 
>> basically a "schoolroom laptop." It has a dual core Intel Celeron N3350 CPU, 
>> 8 GBs of RAM, Intel 500 GPU (HD Graphics, it says) and 128 GBs. I installed 
>> a new battery and get a maximum of about 14 hours of battery life. It works 
>> well on the Internet, can stream moves and YouTube and its rugged and cheap 
>> enough that you don't mind carrying it around with you. I'm impressed with 
>> it. And no fan. It hardly ever runs over 38°C. I like low heat and low power 
>> without a fan.
>> 
>> At any rate, I think Xfce vs Cinnamon (because is lighter) isn't necessarily 
>> that strong of an argument. Cinnamon seems light enough (maybe it works 
>> better if you have 8 GBs of RAM).
>> 
>
> The ingredient in your soup is the Intel 500 GPU.
>
> It is when old computers don't have a driver for the
> GPU and the graphics are done with the CPU cores, that
> the machine is sensitive to the details of graphics
> operation types. That's when XFCE versus Cinnamon matters.
>
> At one time, the Intel integrated GPUs did not have
> any operation types that were worth using for acceleration.
> There was an iGPU "certified for Vista" that really
> wasn't Vista quality goods. But Intel eventually learned
> how to do graphics with textures and shader acceleration.
>
> I even have an ATI discrete video card, that is so weak, it
> rates as "neutral" on acceleration. Whether you use that
> video card or not, does not seem to matter. It has so much
> CPU overhead, any acceleration it has is practically useless.
> I replaced that with another "weak" card, a GT1030,
> and you can "feel" a bit of acceleration from that, and
> that would be as worthwhile as your Intel 500.
>
> But if you go back far enough on Intel, there is only
> IDCT, and OSes "stopped using that" long ago. Even though
> when you don't have any features, using that is worthwhile.
> Inverse Discrete Cosine Transform. That, and a scaler,
> were at one time features. The provision of a scaler for
> scaling pixmaps, that saved "a third of a Pentium 4" worth
> of compute, and that used to help for playing videos. At
> one time, before the video SIP was put in video cards,
> playing a video would rail some core types. And then code
> quality really mattered, and videos could range from
> 10% of the CPU (scaler present) to over 100% (dropped frames).
>
>    Paul

Thanks for all the info. I've had good luck with my off-lease business 
laptops and PCs (mostly Dell. All of them, except for one of my very oldest, 
use Intel GPUs. Makes life easy with Linux (since I only play very simple 
games, like Aisleriot Solitaire or KMahjongg.

-- 
Linux Mint Cinnamon 21.3

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