Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Mike Easter Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.mint Subject: Re: Very good rant about our loving linux Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2026 10:43:19 -0700 Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <20260228123316.6467ee4d@gray> <10nvqia$3lc5g$2@dont-email.me> <10o15pt$51ho$1@dont-email.me> <10o1kbc$ae8m$1@dont-email.me> <10o2an9$j027$2@dont-email.me> <10o491p$17v3l$4@dont-email.me> <10o648m$1r9k6$1@dont-email.me> <10o7om8$2f4hs$1@dont-email.me> <10o9kc1$31ftu$4@dont-email.me> <10oa5n3$3856b$4@dont-email.me> <10oa77j$38qvd$2@dont-email.me> <10obokg$3o2rk$1@dont-email.me> <10ogv63$1et24$1@dont-email.me> <10ok9i1$2hica$1@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net sN4E3twQ12gCJHIq9m9auQdG57mvIc5QewSnjQQ/eKSaA4b6yk Cancel-Lock: sha1:ApJ/WsMzlLiv7FZQDexsenZrSQA= sha256:a3RPj1F13qj4zRToKZWV1siGIQrRa5GrzZlp3CyfiE0= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com alt.os.linux.mint:47068 rbowman wrote: > Mike Easter wrote: > >> They decided that they were going to have to bail on the KDE end. >> >> They decided that they were going to have to jettison where/how >> Gnome was going, by forking that. > > Was there any reason they dropped KDE? To clarify, as they started > the Cinnamon fork I can see where they ultimately had to, but rather > than trying to fix GNOME3, why not dump GNOME completely and stick > with KDE and Xfce? I suppose then the question would be why not > Kubuntu and Xbunutu? > The problem from the LM perspective was what was happening to Gnome ala Gnome Shell, considered a departure from a conventional desktop. So, there was a fork in the direction of Gnome2's nature. The toolkit was GTK, whereas KDE is a Qt. I think they had their hands full w/o having to keep up w/ everything KDE, which was another whole ball of wax. > Nothing wrong with Cinnamon but it seems like a lot of work. Not only the work of Cinnamon, but also bringing the xapps together and mint tools. The Mint Dev site tells some of the backstory: > Between 2006 and 2010 the main desktop environment for Linux Mint > was GNOME 2. It was very stable and very popular. > > In 2011, Linux Mint 12 was unable to ship with GNOME 2. The upstream > GNOME team had released a brand new desktop (GNOME 3 aka “Gnome > Shell”) which was using new technologies (Clutter, GTK3), which had > a completely different design and implemented a radically different > paradigm than its predecessor but which used the same namespaces and > thus it couldn’t be installed alongside GNOME 2. Following the > decision from Debian to upgrade GNOME to version 3, GNOME 2 was no > longer available in Linux Mint. There's a lot more in the Cinnamon section https://linuxmint-developer-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/cinnamon.html Another dev forked to Mate; while LM went via 'MGSE' which was 'Mint Gnome Shell Extension' to work its way to Cinnamon. -- Mike Easter