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Re: Miniskirts and mainframes

From Morten Reistad <first@last.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Miniskirts and mainframes
Date 2015-08-12 19:25 +0200
Organization Me, Myself and I
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References <PM00051CE04E5F251A@aca46caf.ipt.aol.com> <PM00051D08CCD879EF@aca406d5.ipt.aol.com> <mf7q9c-ae1.ln1@sambook.reistad.name> <PM00051D1D9D6CDED8@aca2061b.ipt.aol.com>

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In article <PM00051D1D9D6CDED8@aca2061b.ipt.aol.com>,
jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>Morten Reistad wrote:
>> In article <PM00051D08CCD879EF@aca406d5.ipt.aol.com>,
>> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>Morten Reistad wrote:
>>>> In article
>>><2117219007460857225.270880peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org>
>,
>>>> Peter Flass  <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <PM00051CE04E5F251A@aca46caf.ipt.aol.com>,
>>>>>> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> John Levine wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I still think the best practical distinguishing feature of a
>mainframe
>>>>>>>>>> at the time the minis showed up is that the main cpu wasn't involved
>>>>>>>>>> with the IO devices, that was offloaded to peripheral processors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The PDP-10 offloaded terminal multiplexing to PDP-8s...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The basic PDP-10s didn't, and didn’t do
>that with the
>>>printers or drives
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> tapes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Look up 680/I.  KAs and KIs did both.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The PDP-6 also could have a 680 as a TTY front end (I used one, don't
>>>>>>>> argue) but it was an option.  None of the PDP-10's I used had PDP-8
>>>>>>>> front ends, just the usual tty interface, I think TK10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There was a limit to the length of wire connecting a terminal to a
>>>>>>> PDP-10.  Universities had 680/Is for the terminals with an acoustic
>>>>>>> coupler.  This was 4S72 and very early 5.nn days.  Later there
>>>>>>> were DC72s (PDP-8s), DC75s, DC76s, DAS78s, DNxx's, MCBs (PDP-11s).
>>>>>>> With DECnet, PDP-10s used VAXelans for their comm devices (ethernet).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /BAH
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pdp10 terminals were/are either current loop or rs232 devices,
>>>>>> with the corresponding rather short cable lengths. There are, however,
>>>>>> lots of methods to extend the range of these, from optical extenders,
>>>>>> terminal muxes and LAT over ethernet. Even throusands of kilometers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Most of those were not available in the 70s.
>>>>
>>>> My college installed a mux with optocoupler in 1978; and the pdp10
>>>> replaced a similar muxed uniscope terminal setup to a Univac at the
>>>> state university nearby, at least 4 years old at that time,
>>>>
>>>> I still remember the rows of DB25 connectors in the rear of it.
>>>
>>>The PDP-10 replaced it or did the PDP-10 come with a DN87S?
>>
>> No, the PDP10 connected to the (many) muxes with a "milking machine"
>> setup. The muxes behaved like leased line modems as seen from the
>> pdp10/pdp11 front end.
>
>Which -11 front end?  The one running -20F?  Let's back up.  Was this
>-10 a TOPS-20 or TOPS-10 system?  I had assumed TOPS-20 because
>you haven't had any TOPS-10 experience.

Tops20. Initially v3.4(?) but bugs forced a rapid upgrade to
v4 when that became available.

>I'm guessing that the -11 was an MCB because there would have been
>a boat load of problems if the 20F front end had been used; the bugs
>hadn't been "fixed" as of 1978.

I didn't see the FE close enough to see what it was, This was an early
KL10, may have been an A initially, but was a KL10B as soon as this
was available. Sold as a decsystem 2060.
>
>[not snipped for context preservation]
>
>>
>> Later some lines went to vaxen and a risc unix host.
>>
>> At the next PPOE we had a very similar, but MUCH bigger set of muxes.
>> We had >> 400 terminals connected to ~80 muxes all over the place, and
>> the individual lines went to Primes, Tandems, Risc machines and to
>> terminal servers.
>>
>> The Ringnet feature made the Primes do reasonably well for interconnect
>> networking, but it was a closed architecture.
>>
>> -- mrr
>
>/BAH

The stat muxes behaves exactly as modems when ut comes to the interface
to the host and terminal. 

-- mrr

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                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-14 13:22 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-08-15 03:44 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-12 06:12 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-10 00:30 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-10 15:49 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 11:26 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 11:52 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-10 12:11 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:14 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:35 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:56 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-10 08:49 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:56 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 09:05 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-10 18:01 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-10 12:12 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-17 19:53 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 07:44 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-18 12:47 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-10 10:18 -0600
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-10 12:43 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-10 12:59 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-10 21:02 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-11 13:54 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-11 10:32 -0600
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-11 16:43 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-11 09:48 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-11 20:20 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-12 02:11 -0400
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-11 21:00 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-12 13:42 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-12 14:15 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-13 14:25 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-13 00:59 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Daiyu Hurst <daiyu.hurst@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:10 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-11 05:32 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-08-14 06:20 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-10 13:34 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-11 13:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 03:58 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-11 05:34 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-08-14 06:21 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-10 13:48 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 14:04 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-12 13:30 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-12 19:34 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-13 01:24 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-13 12:58 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 05:52 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-13 12:58 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-13 13:10 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-13 22:13 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 05:51 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-13 22:11 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-14 11:56 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-14 13:25 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-13 14:26 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-08-10 23:24 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-14 07:29 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 16:13 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-14 15:54 -0400
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-15 02:47 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-19 16:07 -0400
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-17 07:01 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-17 14:45 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-17 15:01 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-17 17:24 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-17 12:09 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-17 21:11 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-17 22:22 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-17 23:06 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2015-08-18 02:34 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-18 13:25 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-19 12:12 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-19 14:28 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-17 21:11 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-17 20:52 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-18 14:12 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-18 14:45 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-18 18:34 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-17 14:50 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-17 12:08 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-18 14:19 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-18 14:41 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-19 15:55 -0400
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-19 20:51 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 14:44 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-20 08:11 -0600
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-20 16:11 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-20 15:46 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-20 15:22 -0600
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-08-21 02:12 +0200
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-20 17:34 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-21 00:58 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-20 18:23 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-08-21 04:47 +0200
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-21 15:29 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-20 15:36 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-20 15:43 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 07:07 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 23:49 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-18 14:15 +0000
          Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-04 21:33 +0000
      Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 10:50 -0700

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