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Re: Miniskirts and mainframes

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Date	2015-08-08 18:40 -0700
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Subject	Re: Miniskirts and mainframes
From	hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com

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On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 11:54:53 PM UTC-4, John Levine wrote:

> The 360/30 was a mainframe, but it was small and typically ran one
> program at a time.  When I say small, I mean small.  Standard memory
> was 8K bytes, maximum of 64K.  Decimal and floating point arithmetic
> were extra cost options.  It is my impression that everyone got the
> decimal option since RPG needed it, but not the floating point option
> because it was so slow.

I think the typical memory was 32k or 64k.  Indeed, I think the minimum was raised to 16k.

> A typical configuration would have a card reader/punch, a printer, and
> one or two 5 MB disk drives.  You could hook up tapes and other
> peripherals but that was less common.

I'm pretty sure the reader and printer were 1,000 lines or cards per minute, which was pretty fast.

> This computer was very slow.  A 32 bit memory to register ADD took
> 29us, conditional branch 17us, typical decimal add 65us. decimal
> multiply about 800us.  EDIT, the instruction that turned a decimal
> number into a formatted string took about 140us.  If you got the
> floating point option, a 64 bit floating point divide took 1665us.

We had a model 40 which had a faster CPU, but it was limited by the card reader and printer.  I suspect the model 30, despite being slower, was still limited by the printer and reader.  That is, the printer and reader could run full tilt and there'd still be spare CPU cycles.

Also, most business applications were relatively light on math, and heavy on simple move and compare instructions.

As to speed, I believe the model 30 was faster in throughput than the 1401, which it replaced, and certainly faster than a tab set up.

I believe the model 30 was IBM's best seller, so despite the relative slowness, it must have had some usefulness to customers.

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                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-08 22:46 -0400
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-08 21:19 -0400
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-09 14:14 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-08 18:52 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-09 06:57 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-09 12:32 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-09 05:37 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 11:26 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-09 13:10 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 11:26 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Gerard Schildberger <gerard46@rrt.net> - 2015-08-10 16:16 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-10 17:00 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-09 15:30 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 11:26 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-10 15:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-12 13:24 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-08 03:55 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-08 15:42 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-08 18:40 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-09 16:05 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-10 08:10 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-11 23:40 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-11 18:12 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-11 22:22 -0400
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-13 08:19 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-12 19:42 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-10 00:37 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-10 05:22 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-10 16:01 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-11 05:32 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-08-11 09:46 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-10 16:39 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-10 12:44 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-10 21:02 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-10 14:41 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-10 16:52 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-11 02:00 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-11 06:01 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-11 21:00 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-11 15:23 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-12 00:07 +0200
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-11 23:55 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-11 22:04 -0600
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-12 11:45 +0200
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-08-14 00:07 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-14 03:18 +0200
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-14 13:22 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-08-15 03:44 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-12 06:12 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-10 00:30 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-10 15:49 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 11:26 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 11:52 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-10 12:11 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:14 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:35 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:56 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-10 08:49 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:56 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 09:05 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-10 18:01 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-10 12:12 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-17 19:53 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 07:44 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-18 12:47 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-10 10:18 -0600
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-10 12:43 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-10 12:59 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-10 21:02 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-11 13:54 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-11 10:32 -0600
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-11 16:43 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-11 09:48 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-11 20:20 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-12 02:11 -0400
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-11 21:00 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-12 13:42 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-12 14:15 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-13 14:25 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-13 00:59 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Daiyu Hurst <daiyu.hurst@gmail.com> - 2015-08-16 10:10 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-11 05:32 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-08-14 06:20 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-10 13:34 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-11 13:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 03:58 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-11 05:34 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-08-14 06:21 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-10 13:48 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 14:04 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-12 13:30 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-12 19:34 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-13 01:24 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-13 12:58 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 05:52 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-13 12:58 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-13 13:10 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-13 22:13 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 05:51 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-13 22:11 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-14 11:56 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-14 13:25 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-13 14:26 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-08-10 23:24 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-14 07:29 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 16:13 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-14 15:54 -0400
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-15 02:47 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-19 16:07 -0400
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-17 07:01 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-17 14:45 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-17 15:01 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-17 17:24 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-17 12:09 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-17 21:11 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-17 22:22 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-17 23:06 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael LeVine <mlevinespmfltr@redshift.com> - 2015-08-18 02:34 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-18 13:25 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-19 12:12 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-19 14:28 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-17 21:11 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-17 20:52 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-18 14:12 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-18 14:45 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-18 18:34 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-17 14:50 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-17 12:08 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-18 14:19 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-18 14:41 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-19 15:55 -0400
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-19 20:51 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Santo Brown" <sb8743@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 14:44 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 23:49 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-18 14:15 +0000
              Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-04 21:33 +0000
          Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 10:50 -0700
    Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 10:35 -0700
  Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-17 11:45 -0700
    Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-17 13:45 -0700
      Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-08-18 09:00 +0100

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