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Re: Miniskirts and mainframes

From John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Miniskirts and mainframes
Date 2015-08-05 20:33 +0000
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>> a record at a time and like fixed-length records.  Mainframes have
>> prodiguious I/O capability but are awkward for interactive applications.
>>
>That's an IBM mindset.  DEC's mainframe did the former I/O but was
>capable of doing the latter if someone really needed to.

The PDP-6 and PDP-10 were great computers, but they really didn't have
anything like mainframe I/O.

DEC called DMA "data break", and the 12 and 18 bit machines had a
clever hack called three-cycle data break to enable medium speed DMA
with cheap interfaces.  Single-cycle data break required word count
and address registers in the device's interface which was expensive.
So for the three cycle version, the interface had a single hard wired
address of core locations that contained the negated word count and
address for the transfer.  It was three cycle because first it
incremented the word count, then incremented the address (or maybe the
other order, I forget) and then did the data transfer if the word
count was nonzero.  If the count was zero, a status line told the
device it was done, which most devices turned back into an interrupt.

The PDP-6/10 unlike the smaller machines had priority interrupts so
each fast device could have its own interrupt.  It also had
instructions BLKI and BLKO which pointed to a word in memory with a
negative count in the left half and an address in the right half,
incremented both halves, and did an input or output transfer of the
count was non-zero.  If the BLKI/BLKO was executed as the target of an
interrupt, and the count was nonzero, the interrupt was immediately
dismissed, which provided the effect of three cycle data break.

Later PDP-10s added extra hackery so the transfer could be a single
byte, and also added interfaces to the Massbus, a simple but fast
DMA system used for disks and tapes on late PDP-11, -20/20 and most
Vaxen.

The PDP-6 that I used did its TTY I/O via a stupendous hack, a PDP-8
based 680 terminal system running out of shared PDP-6 memory.  The
PDP-10s had hardware terminal controllers.

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                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-09 12:32 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-09 05:37 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 11:26 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-09 13:10 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 11:26 +0000
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                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 11:26 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-08-10 15:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-12 13:24 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-08 03:55 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-08 15:42 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-08 18:40 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-09 16:05 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-10 08:10 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-11 23:40 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-11 18:12 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-08-11 22:22 -0400
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-13 08:19 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-12 19:42 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-10 00:37 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-10 05:22 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-10 16:01 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-11 05:32 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-08-11 09:46 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-10 16:39 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-10 12:44 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-10 21:02 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-10 14:41 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-10 16:52 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-11 02:00 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-11 06:01 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-11 21:00 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-08-11 15:23 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-12 00:07 +0200
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-11 23:55 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-11 22:04 -0600
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-12 11:45 +0200
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-08-14 00:07 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-08-14 03:18 +0200
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-14 13:22 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-12 06:12 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-10 00:30 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-10 15:49 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 11:26 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 11:52 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-10 12:11 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:14 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:35 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:56 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-10 08:49 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:56 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 09:05 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-10 18:01 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-10 12:12 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-10 10:18 -0600
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-10 12:43 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-10 12:59 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-10 21:02 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-11 13:54 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-11 10:32 -0600
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-11 16:43 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-11 09:48 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-11 20:20 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-08-12 02:11 -0400
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-11 21:00 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-12 13:42 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-12 14:15 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-13 14:25 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-13 00:59 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-11 05:32 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-08-14 06:20 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-10 13:34 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-11 13:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 03:58 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-11 05:34 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-08-14 06:21 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-10 13:48 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 14:04 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-11 12:51 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-12 13:30 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-12 19:34 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-13 01:24 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-13 12:58 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 05:52 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-13 12:58 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-13 13:10 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-13 22:13 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 05:51 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-08-13 22:11 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-14 11:56 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andy Burns <usenet.feb2014@adslpipe.co.uk> - 2015-08-14 13:25 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-13 14:26 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Jon Elson <elson@pico-systems.com> - 2015-08-10 23:24 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-14 07:29 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-14 16:13 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2015-08-14 15:54 -0400
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-08-15 02:47 +0000
              Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-04 21:33 +0000
          Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 10:50 -0700
    Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 10:35 -0700

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