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Re: Miniskirts and mainframes

From Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Miniskirts and mainframes
Date 2015-07-30 16:29 -0400
Organization National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2015, Stephen Sprunk wrote:

> On 30-Jul-15 13:55, Michael Black wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2015, Dave Garland wrote:
>>> Boingboing has an article featuring old (mostly advertising) photos
>>> of computer gear (and a few other high-tech 1960s items) attended
>>> by models in miniskirts.
>>>
>>> http://boingboing.net/2015/07/30/miniskirtsandcomputers.html
>
> How does their attire compare to typical office attire for women of the
> era?  Aside from a few blatant exceptions, most do not look any more
> revealing (and many less) than what I see in offices today.
>
> I've read that company policies required women to wear skirts or
> dresses, so I'm not surprised to see none in pants, but I'm unsure
> whether the hem lines in particular were "appropriate".
>
> OTOH, the neck lines seem much higher than today, but I assume that's
> due to the fall of neckties and the resulting rise of open collars--for
> both sexes.
>
I think some of it is merely that women are in the ads.  I'm not sure that 
represents a reality.  Oh, there were women, but not that common.

And most of those photos looked like the women were secretaries (and no, 
for the time their dress looked about "right").  And surely at best they'd 
be at a terminal in some office, not near the actual mainframes and 
minicomputers.

I can certainly remember small computer ads (once they got more 
mainstream) suddenly having women draped over the computers, I want to say 
they were naked (in a "discrete" way) but maybe just deep cleavage.  Once 
you get those (like that cover of the Atari ST magazine), the fact that 
they are draped becomes the thing, they have nothing to do with the 
computers.


>>> Anybody know what the tabletop unit that appears to be connected
>>> to either a coffeemaker or a microscope (take your pick) is?
>>
>> Clearly the ad doesn't work, if you are paying more attention to the
>> computer than the woman in the photo.
>> ...
>> It was only as small computers got more mainstream that the women
>> started appearing in the ads, draped over the computers.  But then I
>> guess that wider market wasn't as interested in the hardware.  I
>> remember one letter pointing out that the model had her finger over
>> the open space on a floppy drive.
>
> The idea is not that readers will stare at the women and ignore the
> product; that's not very useful to the advertiser.  It's that readers
> (both men and women, interestingly) are more likely to notice the ad if
> there is a scantily-clad woman in it and have a more positive impression
> of the product as a result.
>
> One might consider this sexist, but if it didn't work, the marketing
> industry wouldn't keep doing it.
>

But the contrast was quite strong at the time.  A very male domain, and no 
women draped over computers, but once it widened out, the women were on 
display.

> Also, it's interesting that the article focuses on the women's attire
> but doesn't even mention the possible "it's so easy to use that even
> women can do it!" subtext, which IMHO is far more sexist.
>
But I think some of that is there.  These aren't software writers or 
computer scientists, or hardware engineers, they are there only to be 
women on display.

>> I want to point out that in the early days of "home computers" the
>> ads were lacking the women (well except for that drawing in the
>> Tri-Tek ads), the hardware was what the readership lusted after.
>> Considering it was virtually an all male field, there was a fair
>> attempt at being not sexist, I guess the counterculture influence.
>
> I'd think that was more due to ads being written by and for engineers
> because most marketing folks and purchasing depts didn't understand what
> was being advertised, why it mattered or how one product was different
> from another.
>
But the language used in the articles reflect an attempt at being 
non-sexist.  There was an inclusiveness "he or she", that didn't reflect 
the reality of the readership in the early days.

   Michael


> When that happens, or when the products really don't matter or really
> aren't different, marketers always turn to scantily-clad models.
>
> S
>
> -- 
> Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
> CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
> K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
>

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  Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-07-30 22:50 +0000
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  Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-01 18:46 -0700
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                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-07 21:35 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-07 22:23 +0000
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                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-08 18:40 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-09 16:05 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-10 08:10 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-10 00:37 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-08-10 05:22 -0700
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> - 2015-08-10 16:01 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-08-10 16:39 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-08-10 00:30 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Blano" <blano6654@nospam.com> - 2015-08-10 15:49 +1000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-08-10 11:26 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 11:52 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-10 12:11 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:14 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-08-10 13:35 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:56 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-10 08:49 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:56 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 09:05 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-08-10 18:01 +0100
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-08-10 12:12 -0500
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2015-08-10 10:18 -0600
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-08-10 13:34 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-10 13:48 +0000
                Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 14:04 +0000
              Re: Miniskirts and mainframes Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-04 21:33 +0000
          Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 10:50 -0700
    Re: Miniskirts and mainframes hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-08-04 10:35 -0700

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