Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

From	Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?
Date	2019-07-01 20:50 +0200
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Richard Owlett writes:

[...]

> On 06/30/2019 10:44 AM, Linux-Fan wrote:
>> Matthew Crews writes:
>>
>>> On 6/30/19 5:34 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>> > I'm considering using a VM for some experiments.
>>> > Although my web searches have turned up articles about particular
>>> > aspects of particular VMs, I've found no inventory of what VMs are
>>> > available in Debian.
>>> >
>>> > My firm requirement is that all required software be in set of install
>>> > DVDs for i386 Debian 9.8.
>>> >
>>> > What are my options?
>>>
>>> Are you asking what virtual machine hosts are available on Debian?
>
> *explicitly*

Good :)

[...]

> Did I *NOT* say:
>>> ...all required software be in set of install DVDs for i386 Debian 9.8.

I know you wrote that and I attempted to respond to that by the following by
giving a shortcut to a very likely working solution ( :) ):

> ----> If the DVDs contain all of the
>> `main`
>> repository, then these packages can be used to start with a
>> Libvirt/Virt-Manager/KVM setup (this is what I install on my systems):
>>
>> virt-manager qemu qemu-kvm libvirt-clients libvirt0 libvirt-daemon libvirt-daemon-system
>>
>> The frontend `virt-manager` can then be run to graphically manage VMs.
>> `virsh` can be used to manage them at the commandline.
>
> I do not understand.

It was an attempt to give you a list of packages that may allow you to start
using VMs without further checks because they are likely to be on the DVDs
(I am still confident that they are and I still have not and will not check
it). If you are interested in finding out that/if all packages are on the
DVDs, use the search engine:

	https://cdimage-search.debian.org/

By this I found out that `virt-manager` is on DVD2. So part of my assumption
is right... it's probably easiest if you just try to install the packages?

If it is something else that is not understood in the paragraph I can try to
write it differently if wanted?

>> Btw. when reading what "VMs are available in Debian" I first thought the
>> question was about prebuilt images for virtual machines? ...
>
> My *explicit* question is:
> What 32 bit VMs which DO NOT depend on non-FOSS components are available for
> 32-bit Debian?

Not so explicit for me as non-native English speaker due to ambigous use of
word `VM`. `VM` is virtual machine but there are multiple things to
associate with it in this context:

 * A `VM` as I commonly understand it on my local system is a hard disk
   image and some metadata allowing it to be run by means of a hypervisor.
   Prebuilt images can be downloaded separately and are not in Debian DVDs.
   This is not an issue for you since you have the DVDs and can ``create''
   your own VMs by using the installer inside an ``empty/new'' VM which most
   management softwares can create easily.

 * As an alternative notion, a `VM` is just another server that happens to
   run on a hypervisor and I as the user do not care about what image it
   comes from...

 * From the line with `*explicitly*` above I gather that you are asking
   for a software to manage VMs. It is rarely called a `VM` here although
   the linux kernel's hypervisor is called `KVM` for Kernel Virtual Machine.
   All the necessary software is probably available on Debian DVDs.
   If unsure, consult above mentioned URL and list of packages...

 * (Other uses of the word may exist...)

HTH
Linux-Fan

Thread

Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-06-30 14:40 +0200
  Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-06-30 15:50 +0200
    Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2019-06-30 17:10 +0200
    Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2019-06-30 17:50 +0200
      Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-06-30 21:20 +0200
        Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-07-01 00:50 +0200
        Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-07-01 01:00 +0200
        Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-01 19:20 +0200
          Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-01 19:40 +0200
            Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-01 21:20 +0200
              Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-01 22:10 +0200
        Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2019-07-01 20:50 +0200
          Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-07-02 13:40 +0200
            Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-02 14:10 +0200
              Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2019-07-02 17:20 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-07-02 17:30 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-02 17:40 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-02 19:50 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-02 19:50 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mattcrews@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-02 20:00 +0200
              Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Andy Smith <andy@bitfolk.com> - 2019-07-02 23:00 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-03 05:10 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-03 08:30 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-03 10:20 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-03 12:00 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-07-03 14:40 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-03 19:30 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-03 19:50 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-03 20:10 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-03 20:20 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-04 17:30 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-04 19:10 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-04 20:00 +0200
                Attributing (was: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-06 17:20 +0200
                Re: Attributing (was: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-06 18:10 +0200
                Re: Attributing Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-06 18:30 +0200
                Re: Attributing Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-07-06 21:00 +0200
                Re: Attributing (was: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-06 18:30 +0200
                Oldest Usable x86 CPU for Stretch (Was: Choice of VMs under i386  Stretch?) Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-04 01:50 +0200
                Re: Oldest Usable x86 CPU for Stretch (Was: Choice of VMs under i386  Stretch?) andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-07-04 08:40 +0200
            Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-02 15:10 +0200
              Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-02 15:20 +0200
            Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2019-07-02 23:10 +0200
              Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-07-04 16:00 +0200
                Old computers (Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-07-04 16:40 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2019-07-04 17:10 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-07-06 12:50 +0200

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