Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?

From	Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?
Date	2019-07-03 20:20 +0200
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On Wed, Jul 03, 2019 at 02:05:05PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>- start by reinstall Debian using a 64bit system this time

If it had been done 10 years ago it wouldn't need to be done now. :) If 
you just don't want to bother that's fine, but not great advice for 
anyone starting out.

>In my experience VMs running in a 32bit Debian system on a Core
>2 processor (i.e. one of the first amd64-compatible CPU from Intel)
>offer adequate performance.  I probably wouldn't use that for a server
>under any real load, but VMs can be useful in all kinds of situations.

VMs running on a core 2 definitely have unfixable security issues and 
aren't great performers. That certainly limits the use cases.

>> It's certainly possible to run software-only virtualization on an
>> ancient CPU, but at that point (since it would clearly just be to
>> scratch an itch, not for any practical reason) why ask for opinions
>> instead of just playing around if playing around is the only goal?
>
>I get the impression that by "if playing around is the only goal" you
>mean something like "if it's not within the context of a commercial
>deployment".  Sometimes the need is very real (not just for playing
>around) but doesn't have anything to do with maximizing hardware
>utilization in a datacenter.

Since faster and more efficient hardware can literally be found for free 
these days, running on something that old has a strong component of 
personal choice. Which is fine, but not a strong argument. Put a 
different way, it's fine if that's what you want to do, but terrible 
advice for others.

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Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-06-30 14:40 +0200
  Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-06-30 15:50 +0200
    Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2019-06-30 17:10 +0200
    Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2019-06-30 17:50 +0200
      Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-06-30 21:20 +0200
        Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2019-07-01 00:50 +0200
        Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Hector <richard@walnut.gen.nz> - 2019-07-01 01:00 +0200
        Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-01 19:20 +0200
          Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-01 19:40 +0200
            Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-01 21:20 +0200
              Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-01 22:10 +0200
        Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2019-07-01 20:50 +0200
          Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-07-02 13:40 +0200
            Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-02 14:10 +0200
              Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2019-07-02 17:20 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-07-02 17:30 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-02 17:40 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-02 19:50 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-02 19:50 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mattcrews@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-02 20:00 +0200
              Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Andy Smith <andy@bitfolk.com> - 2019-07-02 23:00 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-03 05:10 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-03 08:30 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-03 10:20 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-07-03 12:00 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-07-03 14:40 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-03 19:30 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-03 19:50 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-03 20:10 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-03 20:20 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-04 17:30 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-07-04 19:10 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-04 20:00 +0200
                Attributing (was: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-06 17:20 +0200
                Re: Attributing (was: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?) Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-07-06 18:10 +0200
                Re: Attributing Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-07-06 18:30 +0200
                Re: Attributing Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2019-07-06 21:00 +0200
                Re: Attributing (was: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?) David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-07-06 18:30 +0200
                Oldest Usable x86 CPU for Stretch (Was: Choice of VMs under i386  Stretch?) Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-04 01:50 +0200
                Re: Oldest Usable x86 CPU for Stretch (Was: Choice of VMs under i386  Stretch?) andreimpopescu@gmail.com - 2019-07-04 08:40 +0200
            Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-02 15:10 +0200
              Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-07-02 15:20 +0200
            Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Linux-Fan <Ma_Sys.ma@web.de> - 2019-07-02 23:10 +0200
              Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-07-04 16:00 +0200
                Old computers (Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch?) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-07-04 16:40 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2019-07-04 17:10 +0200
                Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-07-06 12:50 +0200

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