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| From | Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: Choice of VMs under i386 Stretch? |
| Date | 2019-07-03 19:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <yfReV-56-1@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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> I have an innate desire to help people, but more importantly I give
> people the benefit of the doubt. Besides I self-taught myself a few
> things along the way, so I consider it a win.
Yes, please (and please remind me of that as well when I fail to follow
it ;-)
>> Now, which one of you is going to tell him that running virtual
>> machines is a bit of a stretch on a 32-bit host?
Huh? The only systems on which I have ever run virtual machines were
all 32bit Debian systems. Now admittedly, I tend to count LXC as a VM,
so maybe this is imprecise, but even w.r.t actual VMs they've all
been 32bit.
> think in this day and age it is a bit silly to try and run a VM on a
> 32-bit host
Why? Often the question is not "which hardware should I pick to run
this VM" but "what kinds of technology should I use to run this software
on this hardware". When "this hardware" is 32bit, and a VM is needed
between the two, then that's that.
What might be silly is to think that this choice can't be the best one.
> (or for that matter, run a 32-bit host at all if your
> hardware supports 64-bit,
That's what I do on half of my machines, yes (the other half is a mix
of 32bit-only and 64bit-only systems).
> That said I do not believe that any existing i386 32-bit-only hardware
> that is still floating around even supports the virtual machine
> extensions necessary to run a true VM host.
I haven't use qemu on my 32bit only i686 machines recently, but I see no
reason why it wouldn't work any more.
> Containers like Docker? Sure, those should still work,
Of course they do. Just like `chroot` (of which they're basically an
extension) they require no special hardware support of any kind.
Stefan
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