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| From | Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices |
| Date | 2019-06-26 12:40 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <yddvk-4fm-19@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
| References | (2 earlier) <ycPCG-6Uc-5@gated-at.bofh.it> <ycSAx-cU-3@gated-at.bofh.it> <ycT3z-mb-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <ycTGh-Ov-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <yd3vX-6Bl-3@gated-at.bofh.it> |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 The Wanderer wrote: > On 2019-06-25 at 09:28, Michael Stone wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 08:46:28AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: >>> On 2019-06-25 at 08:11, Michael Stone wrote: > >>>> It isn't because: 1) the new names are predictable but not >>>> constant, so you can't configure a single default across all >>>> systems >>> >>> Which seems reasonable to describe as "unpredictable". >> >> They're perfectly predictable for a given system. > > And reasonably unpredictable between systems. > > Just reiterating the case where they *are* predictable misses my point > so badly that it almost seems as if it must be intentional. > >> The old names also weren't constant, but people didn't seem to care >> as much about the nuances because "that's the way it's always been". >> (Sometimes it was an eth, sometimes it was a wlan, etc.) Why were >> those differences ok but these differences aren't? Familiarity. > > No, not just familiarity. > > To the best of my awareness, the old names were 100% constant, as long > as you had no more than one interface *of a given type*. Quite so. > [...] > With the new names, the fact that two interfaces get different name > prefixes (etc.) tells you basically nothing useful about how to handle > them; it just exposes underlying hardware details of some kind, which > you don't actually need to know in order to make effective use of those > interfaces. To some degree. Unless they've changed *again* (I don't follow the "latest and greatest" changes that closely), you essentially get "en[...]" and "wl[...]" in place of 'eth0' and 'wlan0', respectively. That being said, the "new" names are relatively clunky to use when working outside of "my machine here" (e.g. with users abandoning W10). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEBcqaUD8uEzVNxUrujhHd8xJ5ooEFAl0TRvUACgkQjhHd8xJ5 ooFB9wf+MLfx2BrNGRphEH7QyBWAn1+JEdQ8LzwOVx0z3emkQavrMyHocUrafO7d TMUwSlT/yYasePwLh7mwn1ii9/z2jmiegwdR8Ip5w6YmfSszjOu006GtKoUvHe4R 4QATY2ZiZxg0BCCWtnAG48flb81c0n+8/eC4x3OGbiSFu0/JYGEuQiWSrPeT8fRi w9O2CA027fz6zOM+LZe1hMFNwOkManniKYrovxUqb6ydRaqyrLL9QDaWjOdBITUc EskGRSNz2eTA6aIPrl8K3C++2C0JPYjgWpbOqXwPBasXMfd0C6YSX7Gpo3mJajFq muN9VYkHO9ia6adcs+R8CrTi0x67ug== =sff2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
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New nomeclature of ethernet devices Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2019-06-25 10:10 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-06-25 10:50 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2019-06-25 11:10 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-06-25 14:20 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2019-06-25 14:50 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-06-25 15:10 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-06-25 15:40 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-06-25 15:50 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-06-25 15:30 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-06-25 16:10 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-06-25 17:10 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2019-06-25 17:40 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> - 2019-06-25 17:40 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-06-26 01:10 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2019-06-26 02:00 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-06-26 12:40 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2019-06-26 12:40 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-06-26 14:20 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-06-26 16:10 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-06-26 16:40 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-06-26 21:00 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2019-06-27 02:10 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-06-27 13:40 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-06-27 04:30 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2019-06-27 09:00 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-06-27 16:10 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices "Martin S. Weber" <Ephaeton@gmx.net> - 2019-06-25 20:30 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-06-25 21:00 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-06-25 20:10 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-06-25 20:30 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-06-25 12:10 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-06-25 12:20 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2019-06-25 13:00 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-06-25 13:20 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2019-06-25 13:40 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-06-25 13:50 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-06-25 14:20 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-06-26 00:10 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2019-06-26 01:40 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> - 2019-06-26 01:50 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-06-25 18:10 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-06-25 18:30 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-06-25 18:30 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-06-25 22:30 +0200
Re: New nomeclature of ethernet devices Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-06-25 22:30 +0200
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