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Am Freitag, 22. März 2019, 17:15:29 CET schrieb Reco:
> 	Hi.
Hi Reco,
> 
> No, this is done by udev. It can be disabled, it can be configured, and
> it can be left as is.
> 
I know, that the old style can be kept by either using udev (withg persistent-
net.rules for example) or by a kernel parm (something like "ifnet.rename=0, or 
similar, forgot the correct syntax)

> > However, I discovered many packages, where are still the old names
> > preconfigured with the old names.
> 
> Some examples are in order.
> 
I had to correct /etc/network/interfaces, kismet, wicd-*, powertweak, snort 
and some others. No big deal.

> 
> Most of the server-side packages that I can think of are either bind to all
> available interfaces by default, or bind to lo, which is still here.

There were more the desktop users with laptops in my mind.

> 
> > I know, the last one might be problematic, because the developer never can
> > know, whhich interface is used (eth0? eth1? wlan0? whatever)
> 
> Or, for instance, en0p2gibberish. They call them Unpredictable Device
> Named for a reason.
> 

Yes, thsis is another thing, which I am thinking of: The names could change 
(in case, when there are more than one network devices are active or the order 
of activing changed). In the past, I forced the order with persistent-
net.rules. Dunno, if normal users can deal with it. Can it your Mom or your 
Dad? Grandpa? Grandma? 
 
> > For myself I got the solution: just edited all configs to the new names,
> > but I believe, for unexperienced users, this could be problematic.
> 
> So-called "unexperienced" users should not meddle in servers'
> configuration in the first place.
> And NIC configuration is hardly relevant for a typical desktop.
> 
> > And I also believe, an unexperienced user gets in trouble, when nobody
> > points him, where to look.
> 
> I don't know about that. I mean, you wrote here, isn't it? Nobody's
> stopping this hypothetical "unexperienced" users to do the same.

Remember, this list is in English, not all people do speak English well 
(included myself), and I doubt, most people want to spare the time, to crawl 
through all the lists. They want it just work.
> 
> > You do not need to look for a solution for me, I just wanted to remember
> > this thing and hope, we should keep this little problem in mind. Maybe
> > this is worth a discussion, if not, please excuse the noise.
> 
> That's OK. It's Friday and it's been an eventful week, so a list can use
> a flamewar.
> 

No, a flamewar will be funny for some people, but IMO it has got not much 
worth. For myself, I can only tell: Upredictable Device Name is nice, but only 
a good idea for specialists. But this is my opinion, and no one is forced, to 
take it over.

Happy hacking and a nice weekend!

> Reco


Best 

Hans

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Discussion? New names of betwork devices Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2019-03-22 16:10 +0100
  Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-03-22 17:20 +0100
    Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2019-03-22 17:50 +0100
      Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-03-22 18:30 +0100
      Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2019-03-23 19:30 +0100
        Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-03-23 20:40 +0100
        Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-03-23 20:40 +0100
      Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-24 18:20 +0100
    Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2019-03-23 18:30 +0100
  Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-03-22 21:00 +0100
    Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices ghe <ghe@slsware.net> - 2019-03-22 23:20 +0100
      Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-03-22 23:40 +0100
        Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-23 07:40 +0100
          Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-03-23 09:40 +0100
            Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-24 04:10 +0100
              Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-03-24 04:30 +0100
                Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-24 07:30 +0100
                Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-03-24 08:10 +0100
                Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-24 18:10 +0100
      Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-03-24 20:30 +0100
  Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices ghe <ghe@slsware.net> - 2019-03-22 21:00 +0100

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