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Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices

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	Hi.

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 04:06:33PM +0100, Hans wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> since some time the names for network devices have changed. So its is no more 
> "ethX" , but "enp1s10" or similar or "wlan0" and now "wlp5s0". You know, what 
> I mean.

Yep, so called Unpredicable Device Names.


> This is made by the kernel.

No, this is done by udev. It can be disabled, it can be configured, and
it can be left as is.


> However, I discovered many packages, where are still the old names 
> preconfigured with the old names.

Some examples are in order.


> I think, this may be led to confusion, so let 
> me offer some suggestions:
> 
> - during installation there should be an advice, to check the name of the 
> interface

File a "wishlist" bug report against an appropriate package.


> - interface entries should be generally commented, so that the user has 
> forcedly to check the entry

Most of the server-side packages that I can think of are either bind to all
available interfaces by default, or bind to lo, which is still here.


> I know, the last one might be problematic, because the developer never can 
> know, whhich interface is used (eth0? eth1? wlan0? whatever)

Or, for instance, en0p2gibberish. They call them Unpredictable Device
Named for a reason.


> For myself I got the solution: just edited all configs to the new names, but I 
> believe, for unexperienced users, this could be problematic.

So-called "unexperienced" users should not meddle in servers'
configuration in the first place.
And NIC configuration is hardly relevant for a typical desktop.


> And I also believe, an unexperienced user gets in trouble, when nobody
> points him, where to look.

I don't know about that. I mean, you wrote here, isn't it? Nobody's
stopping this hypothetical "unexperienced" users to do the same.


> You do not need to look for a solution for me, I just wanted to remember this 
> thing and hope, we should keep this little problem in mind. Maybe this is 
> worth a discussion, if not, please excuse the noise.

That's OK. It's Friday and it's been an eventful week, so a list can use
a flamewar.

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Discussion? New names of betwork devices Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2019-03-22 16:10 +0100
  Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-03-22 17:20 +0100
    Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2019-03-22 17:50 +0100
      Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-03-22 18:30 +0100
      Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2019-03-23 19:30 +0100
        Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-03-23 20:40 +0100
        Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-03-23 20:40 +0100
      Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-24 18:20 +0100
    Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Hans <hans.ullrich@loop.de> - 2019-03-23 18:30 +0100
  Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-03-22 21:00 +0100
    Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices ghe <ghe@slsware.net> - 2019-03-22 23:20 +0100
      Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-03-22 23:40 +0100
        Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-23 07:40 +0100
          Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-03-23 09:40 +0100
            Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-24 04:10 +0100
              Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-03-24 04:30 +0100
                Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-24 07:30 +0100
                Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2019-03-24 08:10 +0100
                Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-03-24 18:10 +0100
      Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-03-24 20:30 +0100
  Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices ghe <ghe@slsware.net> - 2019-03-22 21:00 +0100

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