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Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

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On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 11:45:28 -0400
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:

> > I think the premises of your syllogism might lead some to another
> > conclusion---that the livelihood of the AV software houses depends
> > upon the innate insecurity of the Windows OS.  
> 
> Hmm... they don't actually need that: they only need people to
> think that they're vulnerable (regardless if their Windows is actually
> secure or not, and regardless is Windows is more or less secure than
> other OSes).
> 
> But yes, this is made easier if Windows is actually insecure.
> 

To a large extent, it is Windows users who are insecure. Even today (or
at least, three months ago) the first-time user of Windows 10 is set up
as an administrator, and no advice is offered about changing this. 

I used to help out on Windows Small Business Server newsgroup, where
many administrators/installers admitted to making all their users
administrators to reduce service calls... it was actually *necessary*
for the user of MS Office to be an administrator for the first run of
each of the components (not just the installation), or else various
files and permissions didn't get written correctly.

-- 
Joe

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Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools deb <deb@rangingthoughts.org> - 2019-03-10 16:00 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2019-03-10 16:10 +0100
    Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Paul Sutton <zleap@disroot.org> - 2019-03-11 12:00 +0100
      Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-11 13:10 +0100
        RE: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Michael Grant <mgrant@grant.org> - 2019-03-11 14:00 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-03-10 16:30 +0100
    Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-03-10 16:40 +0100
      Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-03-10 17:40 +0100
        Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-03-10 18:20 +0100
          Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-03-10 19:50 +0100
          Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-03-10 20:50 +0100
            Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-03-10 21:20 +0100
          Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-03-10 21:00 +0100
      Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-10 17:40 +0100
        And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus  tools deb <deb@rangingthoughts.org> - 2019-03-10 18:20 +0100
          Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus  tools Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu> - 2019-03-10 21:10 +0100
          Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus  tools Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-03-10 21:20 +0100
            Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus  tools Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2019-03-12 05:20 +0100
          Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-11 08:40 +0100
            Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on:  Anti-virus tools Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-11 09:30 +0100
              Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-11 23:20 +0100
                Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on:  Anti-virus tools Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-12 10:00 +0100
                Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-12 19:50 +0100
          Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-03-11 13:40 +0100
            Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on:  Anti-virus tools Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-11 14:50 +0100
              Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-03-11 16:50 +0100
                Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on:  Anti-virus tools Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-03-11 19:20 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-03-10 16:40 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2019-03-10 19:00 +0100
    Thanks Mart -- Re: Mart -- [Solved] [Well, not solved,. but sickened  by] Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools deb <deb@rangingthoughts.org> - 2019-03-13 00:30 +0100
      Re: Thanks Mart -- Re: Mart -- [Solved] [Well, not solved,. but  sickened by] Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-03-13 00:40 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-03-10 19:50 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-11 08:10 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2019-03-12 09:50 +0100
    Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> - 2019-03-12 13:20 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-03-12 11:40 +0100

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