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Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools

From	Curt <curty@free.fr>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools
Date	2019-03-11 14:50 +0100
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On 2019-03-11, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>> Not that I'm aware of.  The thing is - instead of taking an insecure OS
>> and building assorted kludges (in the form of anti-virus) around it,
>> it's considered wise here to use a secure OS from the beginning.
>
> This is misleading: all OSes are somewhat insecure, in practice.
> The question is what to do when a security hole is found: plug the hole
> right away, or try to recognize potential attacks via some anti-virus
> software?
>
> Of course, AV software houses can't really plug security holes in
> Windows (only Microsoft can), so their livelihood depends on making
> people believe that an AV is a good supplement.
>

I think the premises of your syllogism might lead some to another
conclusion---that the livelihood of the AV software houses depends upon
the innate insecurity of the Windows OS.  This kind of gentleman's
agreement seems to be one of the fundamental cogs in the great Wheel of
capitalism to which most of us are tied.

Having said that, the Windows 10 on my hubby's laptop has native virus-
detection software and the OS is patched frequently via the net (at
times to inadvertent ill effect, though not here, at least not yet).

>         Stefan
>
>

-- 
“Let us again pretend that life is a solid substance, shaped like a globe,
which we turn about in our fingers. Let us pretend that we can make out a plain
and logical story, so that when one matter is despatched--love for instance--
we go on, in an orderly manner, to the next.” - Virginia Woolf, The Waves

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Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools deb <deb@rangingthoughts.org> - 2019-03-10 16:00 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2019-03-10 16:10 +0100
    Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Paul Sutton <zleap@disroot.org> - 2019-03-11 12:00 +0100
      Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-11 13:10 +0100
        RE: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Michael Grant <mgrant@grant.org> - 2019-03-11 14:00 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-03-10 16:30 +0100
    Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-03-10 16:40 +0100
      Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-03-10 17:40 +0100
        Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-03-10 18:20 +0100
          Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-03-10 19:50 +0100
          Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-03-10 20:50 +0100
            Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-03-10 21:20 +0100
          Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-03-10 21:00 +0100
      Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-10 17:40 +0100
        And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus  tools deb <deb@rangingthoughts.org> - 2019-03-10 18:20 +0100
          Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus  tools Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu> - 2019-03-10 21:10 +0100
          Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus  tools Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-03-10 21:20 +0100
            Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus  tools Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2019-03-12 05:20 +0100
          Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-11 08:40 +0100
            Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on:  Anti-virus tools Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-11 09:30 +0100
              Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-11 23:20 +0100
                Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on:  Anti-virus tools Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-12 10:00 +0100
                Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-12 19:50 +0100
          Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-03-11 13:40 +0100
            Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on:  Anti-virus tools Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-03-11 14:50 +0100
              Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-03-11 16:50 +0100
                Re: And now, from the Nice people? Re: Group thoughts on:  Anti-virus tools Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-03-11 19:20 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-03-10 16:40 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Mart van de Wege <mvdwege@gmail.com> - 2019-03-10 19:00 +0100
    Thanks Mart -- Re: Mart -- [Solved] [Well, not solved,. but sickened  by] Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools deb <deb@rangingthoughts.org> - 2019-03-13 00:30 +0100
      Re: Thanks Mart -- Re: Mart -- [Solved] [Well, not solved,. but  sickened by] Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-03-13 00:40 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2019-03-10 19:50 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2019-03-11 08:10 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools didier gaumet <didier.gaumet@gmail.com> - 2019-03-12 09:50 +0100
    Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> - 2019-03-12 13:20 +0100
  Re: Group thoughts on: Anti-virus tools mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-03-12 11:40 +0100

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