Re: Usage of real m68k hardware

From	Carsten Strotmann <carsten@strotmann.de>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.devel
Subject	Re: Usage of real m68k hardware
Date	2018-03-28 10:50 +0200
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(excluded debian-68k@lists.debian.org, as I've posted this text already
there in mistake. Re-Posted here for completeness)

Hello Andreas,

On 28.03.18 08:38, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> recently some R packages received bugs that seem to stem from a problem
> with the build setup (specifically, a qemu bug).  When I asked back in
> one of the bugs[1] whether there are real m68k users I've got the answer
> 
>   ... there are still some users with actual hardware, but the
>   autobuilders use qemu for better performance and/or reliability
> 
> I conclude that the Debian project is running no real m68k hardware any
> more (please correct me if I'm wrong) and we are possibly doing a
> service for some users who potentially also run qemu (wild guess of
> mine).  I'm wondering when it might be time to fully drop a hardware
> port instead of draining developer time for ethernity.
> 
> I'm personally drawng the decision that I will tag any bug that concerns
> scientific software (which is my main focus) and that bug is on m68k
> only as wontfix and will set severity to minor.  I'm sorry but my focus
> is on real use cases and stumbling upon bugs in BTS which are not
> helping any real user is just draining time.
> 

I use m68k Debian on real m68k hardware (but not R or other scientific
software). I know at least four other people that also run/use Debian
m68k on real hardware.

My focus use of m68k is tools and development software (interpreters,
compiler, assembler).

Supporting diverse hardware platforms can expose bugs that are hidden on
mainstream platforms (such as x86 and ARM) and increase the overall code
quality. But I agree that the m68k community is quite small.

Best regards

Carsten Strotmann

Thread

Usage of real m68k hardware Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2018-03-28 08:40 +0200
  Re: Usage of real m68k hardware John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2018-03-28 09:00 +0200
    Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2018-03-28 10:00 +0200
      Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Carsten Strotmann <cas@strotmann.de> - 2018-03-28 10:20 +0200
      Re: Usage of real m68k hardware John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2018-03-28 10:20 +0200
        Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Laurent Vivier <laurent@vivier.eu> - 2018-03-28 10:20 +0200
        Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Ole Streicher <olebole@debian.org> - 2018-03-28 11:50 +0200
      Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2018-03-28 11:10 +0200
        Re: Usage of real m68k hardware John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2018-03-28 11:40 +0200
          Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2018-03-28 12:10 +0200
            Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Emilio Pozuelo Monfort <pochu@debian.org> - 2018-03-28 12:30 +0200
            Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-03-28 13:40 +0200
          Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2018-04-17 19:30 +0200
            Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Ingo Jürgensmann <ij@2018.bluespice.org> - 2018-04-17 21:40 +0200
  Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Ingo Jürgensmann <ij@2018.bluespice.org> - 2018-03-28 09:30 +0200
  Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Carsten Strotmann <carsten@strotmann.de> - 2018-03-28 10:50 +0200
  Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Finn Thain <fthain@telegraphics.com.au> - 2018-03-28 11:20 +0200
    Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2018-03-28 12:20 +0200
      Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> - 2018-03-28 13:00 +0200
      Re: interpretation of wontfix Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2018-03-28 13:10 +0200
        Re: interpretation of wontfix Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2018-03-28 14:00 +0200
          Re: interpretation of wontfix Marvin Renich <mrvn@renich.org> - 2018-03-28 14:30 +0200
        Re: interpretation of wontfix Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2018-03-28 14:50 +0200
          Re: interpretation of wontfix Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2018-03-28 17:30 +0200
        Re: interpretation of wontfix Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2018-03-28 15:40 +0200
        Re: interpretation of wontfix Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2018-03-28 19:10 +0200
          Re: interpretation of wontfix Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-03-29 15:00 +0200
            Re: interpretation of wontfix Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2018-03-29 17:20 +0200
            Re: interpretation of wontfix Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2018-03-29 20:30 +0200
        Re: interpretation of wontfix Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-03-28 20:10 +0200
          Re: interpretation of wontfix Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2018-03-29 00:10 +0200
            Re: interpretation of wontfix Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2018-03-29 08:30 +0200
          Re: interpretation of wontfix Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-03-29 15:10 +0200
            Re: interpretation of wontfix Ian Campbell <ijc@debian.org> - 2018-03-29 15:20 +0200
              Re: interpretation of wontfix Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2018-03-29 16:20 +0200
              Re: interpretation of wontfix Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2018-03-29 16:30 +0200
                Re: interpretation of wontfix Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2018-03-29 20:20 +0200
  Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2018-03-28 14:00 +0200
    Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2018-03-28 19:30 +0200
      Enhanced syntax for Architecture field (Was: Usage of real m68k  hardware) Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2018-03-28 20:30 +0200
        Re: Enhanced syntax for Architecture field (Was: Usage of real m68k  hardware) Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2018-03-28 22:30 +0200
          Re: Enhanced syntax for Architecture field Ole Streicher <olebole@debian.org> - 2018-03-29 09:50 +0200
            Re: Enhanced syntax for Architecture field Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2018-03-29 19:30 +0200
      Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2018-03-28 20:30 +0200
        Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Michael Gilbert <mgilbert@debian.org> - 2018-04-01 01:50 +0200
      Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org> - 2018-03-28 22:00 +0200
        Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2018-03-28 22:30 +0200
  Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2018-03-28 19:10 +0200
  Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2018-03-29 14:10 +0200
    Re: Usage of real m68k hardware Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2018-03-29 14:20 +0200

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