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Re: MS Shadow Copy service

From	Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject	Re: MS Shadow Copy service
Date	2025-03-17 17:27 -0400
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On 3/17/2025 3:32 PM, Paul wrote:
> On Mon, 3/17/2025 12:45 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> $DRIFT ON
>>
>>>     I've had Volume Shadow Copy disabled for as long as I
>>> can remember. Disk image backup is much better than
>>> system restore. ...
>>
>>    Volume Shadow Copy is not only used for System Restore, but also by
>> any decent backup program, including disk/partition backup programs.
>>
>>    If a disk/partition backup program does not use Volume Shadow Copy to
>> make a snapshot of the disk/partitions, it can not do make an on-line
>> backup, nor do a verify after the backup.
>>
>> $DRIFT OFF
>>
> 
> A backup cannot back up open file handles, without the shadow service.
> (Most) open file handles, will be handled properly using VSS. Only the file
> handles that won't quiesce will not be handled. Whether you have
> VSS or not, pagefile.sys cannot be backed up (well, as you would expect --
> nobody really wants their pagefile.sys backed up!).
> 

     Does nobody know about real disk image backup? Incremental backup
is only local. It's like a faux RAID array, and only as good as the
machine it's on. It also takes up a lot of room.

   There seems to be confusion, starting some years ago with overpriced
"disk imaging" software that merely does incremental backup from within
Windows. People thought that was disk imaging and paid through the nose
for things like Acronis because it did a lot of hand holding. That is 
not disk
image backup. Disk image backup is backing up a partition or disk to
a compressed file(s) that can later be restored. It is not and cannot be
done from within Windows. Even Frank the grouch seems to not know
the difference.

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MS Shadow Copy service micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-03-16 17:02 -0400
  Re: MS Shadow Copy service User One <noreply@invalid.com> - 2025-03-16 22:03 +0000
    Re: MS Shadow Copy service Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-03-16 20:42 -0700
    Re: MS Shadow Copy service micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-03-29 00:50 -0400
      Re: MS Shadow Copy service micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-03-29 01:38 -0400
  Re: MS Shadow Copy service micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-03-16 21:49 -0400
    Re: MS Shadow Copy service Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-17 00:46 -0400
      Re: MS Shadow Copy service "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-17 13:16 +0100
        Re: MS Shadow Copy service Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-17 11:25 -0400
          Re: MS Shadow Copy service "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-17 19:50 +0100
            Re: MS Shadow Copy service Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-17 15:27 -0400
              Re: MS Shadow Copy service "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-03-17 21:34 +0100
                Re: MS Shadow Copy service Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-18 14:45 +0000
                Re: MS Shadow Copy service Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-18 20:13 -0400
    Re: MS Shadow Copy service Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-17 01:07 -0400
      Re: MS Shadow Copy service micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-03-27 01:00 -0400
        Re: MS Shadow Copy service Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-27 02:51 -0400
  Re: MS Shadow Copy service Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-17 08:41 -0400
    Re: MS Shadow Copy service Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-17 16:45 +0000
      Re: MS Shadow Copy service Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-17 15:32 -0400
        Re: MS Shadow Copy service Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-17 17:27 -0400
          Re: MS Shadow Copy service Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-17 18:16 -0400
          Re: MS Shadow Copy service Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-18 13:49 +0000
  Re: MS Shadow Copy service Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-17 16:36 +0000
    Re: MS Shadow Copy service micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-03-27 01:05 -0400
      Re: MS Shadow Copy service Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-03-28 00:27 -0500
        Re: MS Shadow Copy service micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-03-28 12:17 -0400
  Re: MS Shadow Copy service ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-03-17 10:44 -0700
    Re: MS Shadow Copy service Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-17 17:28 -0400
      Re: MS Shadow Copy service Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-03-17 18:50 -0400
      Re: MS Shadow Copy service ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 11:52 -0700
        Re: MS Shadow Copy service micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-03-27 01:09 -0400

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