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Re: MS Shadow Copy service

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On Sun, 3/16/2025 9:49 PM, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Sun, 16 Mar 2025 17:02:37 -0400, micky
> <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> 
>> So for the first time, I tried copying and moving files within win11. It
>> took about 5 minutes to copy one file, and about 20 minutes to move 10
>> directories.  This is, how do they say it?, Unacceptable.
>>
>> The bussiest task was MS Shadow Copy service.  None of these files were
>> in use.  They were just sitting in the dat or downloads directories. I'd
>> just turn off the service -- should I? -- but it might well come in
>> handy if it means I could back up files from Forte Agent while it was
>> running. 
>>
>> I wasn't using File Explorer, but PowerDesk, a 3d-party, but I assume
>> it just formats the same commands tht File Explorer does.
> 
> a) I thought I should still test it with File Explorer and the problem
> is the same, as I was sure it would be. 
> 
> Using FE, I moved one file and it took 4 minutes.  As the other times,
> the graph immediately goes 99% of the way across and then stops.   A
> line in the box says it's "Calculating".  
> 
> b) I thought I should be able to reverse the move with Ctrl-Z, but it
> did nothing.  Ctrl-Z used to reverse moves.  Has that been stopped or is
> this another problem? 
> 
> c) I decided the file was expendable so I deleted it and the lnk, and
> each time it took 50 seconds to send it to the recycle bin.  This time I
> started from Everything, but I'm sure it doesn't matter where the
> instruction is issued from. 
> 
>> Does this "feature" bite everyone who gets win11? 

It looks like my Win10 OS has set a shadow on this machine.
Normally, I'm in Win11 and the machine name is WALLACE then.
H: is the OS drive for Win10.

# Administrator window of some sort...

vssadmin list shadows

vssadmin 1.1 - Volume Shadow Copy Service administrative command-line tool
(C) Copyright 2001-2013 Microsoft Corp.

Contents of shadow copy set ID: {b4f5227e-cfef-41de-b82e-6276d469498b}
   Contained 1 shadow copies at creation time: Fri, 3/14/2025 4:05:48 AM
      Shadow Copy ID: {4213196c-852e-4d87-8138-5eacbf55641f}
         Original Volume: (H:)\\?\Volume{bd4d69bc-6fbb-4f12-b804-f32c6b9e828c}\
         Shadow Copy Volume: \\?\GLOBALROOT\Device\HarddiskVolumeShadowCopy1
         Originating Machine: TEN
         Service Machine: TEN
         Provider: 'Microsoft Software Shadow Copy provider 1.0'
         Type: ClientAccessibleWriters
         Attributes: Persistent, Client-accessible, No auto release, Differential, Auto recovered

WALLACE has Macrium 7.3.6391 installed. And the System Protection is OFF.
TEN has a Macrium 7.2 installed. And the System Protection is ON.

That's what made the persistent shadow. Once I turned off System Protection
in Win10, the shadow was gone. Reboot into Win11, I'm now free of shadows.

There have been cases, that are pretty close to the 64 shadow limit.
This is caused by a certain backup product that drops shadows like
crazy, and presumably they are the persistent ones.

I don't think I've ever had more than about three shadows.

The shadows on WinXP were not persistent. Persistence is available
on the later OSes. In addition, on Windows Servers, apparently
a shadow (the storage part) can be put on another disk. The logic of
which, escapes me. Doing that can't be very fast.

   Paul

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MS Shadow Copy service micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-03-16 17:02 -0400
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