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Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account

From	Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject	Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account
Date	2025-01-17 13:49 +0000
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On 2025-01-16 18:14, Paul wrote:
>
> On Thu, 1/16/2025 11:13 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>>
>>    I wasn't thinking of problems with drivers in general. I just
>> meant that it could be tricky finding drivers for a Dell with
>> generic Windows, because Dell likes to make their own driver
>> installers, based on PC model rather than the hardware. So,
>> for example, if you need an audio driver for an XPS 2000
>> (if that exists) then you go to Dell and download a Dell
>> installer that gives no indication of what audio chip you
>> have.
> 
> You're right, there's no question that some of the Dell
> stuff is nasty. A number of people had trouble with audio
> on Dell, and the way things are lashed together, is
> not particularly standard. And Googling is not leading
> anywhere productive. If a manufacturer finds a novel
> way to implement stuff, that's not actually helping
> a customer in any significant way. It's a purpose-less
> tech push thing.
> 
> As for a Dell SPxxxxx.exe , you can burrow into those
> with 7Zip and find an INF with the PNP numbers. You can decode
> a bit of the details of what is in there. But if a sound
> driver is 300MB, you would suspect every computer that Dell
> ever manufactured is in that file. Leaving little ability to
> determine what sound chip is in your particular laptop (based
> on the driver offered).

I do not remember any problems with audio on Dell hardware, but perhaps 
you both are referring to desktops, whereas I'm actually quite fond of 
Dell laptops as hardware, having mostly, but certainly not exclusively, 
good experiences with them.  I'm currently using second-hand/used 
Precision M67/800s as my main PCs, previously I used an Inspiron 15RSE 
7520 and Precision M6300s.  All have been more or less fine as laptops, 
but the older machines were a PITA to upgrade or repair compared to the 
more recent machines.  By contrast, a Precision M4300 (note the single 
digit difference in model number) was a terrible machine, a really junk 
design.

However, your point mostly seemed concerned with drivers, and I would 
agree that, like the confusing model naming and numbering, their support 
pages for downloading drivers and their naming of them are confusing 
also.  As if navigating the page itself wasn't bad enough, by default if 
you choose the 'Download all selected' option, you end up with a 
directory full of meaningless names for the self-extracting downloads. 
WTF is 'R186621.exe'?  You either have to run it to find out, or do as I 
do and sit and sweat downloading each file individually, renaming them 
as you go, so the above becomes 'R186621 TouchPad.exe' and given that it 
is in the directory '\Install\Dell\Precision M6300\Windows 7' on my 
server, I know exactly what it is.  However, the whole rigmarole is a 
PITA to do whenever you get another model of machine or upgrade the OS 
on an existing one.

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Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Boris <nospam@invalid.com> - 2025-01-16 01:06 +0000
  Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account "J. Weaver Jr." <jwjr@poREMOVETHISbox.com> - 2025-01-15 20:44 -0500
    Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-01-16 02:02 +0000
      Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 22:16 -0700
        Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Boris <nospam@invalid.com> - 2025-01-16 06:08 +0000
          Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 11:05 -0700
  Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 23:04 -0500
    Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-16 10:36 +0000
      Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 13:08 -0500
        Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-17 13:16 +0000
          Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-17 16:13 +0000
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-17 11:56 -0500
  Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-15 23:08 -0500
    Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-15 23:13 -0500
      Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 09:19 -0500
        Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-16 11:13 -0500
          Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 13:14 -0500
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-17 13:49 +0000
              Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-17 12:07 -0500
  Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Boris <nospam@invalid.com> - 2025-01-16 04:20 +0000
    Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 09:50 -0500
  Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 21:45 -0700
    Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-16 12:52 +0000
      Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-17 05:01 +0000
      Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-19 14:52 -0500
        Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-19 15:24 -0500
          Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-19 21:39 +0000
          Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-19 16:59 -0500
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-19 17:16 -0500
              Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-19 19:54 -0500
        Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-19 21:44 +0000
          Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-19 17:05 -0500
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-19 22:13 +0000
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-20 13:44 +0100
              Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-20 13:31 +0000
              Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-20 08:59 -0500
          Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-20 11:34 +0000
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-20 12:07 +0000
              Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-20 09:20 -0500
              Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 13:16 -0700
            Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 12:29 -0700
          Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-30 20:23 +1100
      Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-20 15:15 +0000
    Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-17 15:17 +0100
      Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 10:22 -0700
        Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-18 21:05 +0100
          Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 12:32 -0700
  Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-16 09:11 +0000
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