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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-11 |
| Subject | Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account |
| Date | 2025-01-17 12:07 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <vme2pd$4p0b$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On Fri, 1/17/2025 8:49 AM, Java Jive wrote: > On 2025-01-16 18:14, Paul wrote: >> >> On Thu, 1/16/2025 11:13 AM, Newyana2 wrote: >>> >>> I wasn't thinking of problems with drivers in general. I just >>> meant that it could be tricky finding drivers for a Dell with >>> generic Windows, because Dell likes to make their own driver >>> installers, based on PC model rather than the hardware. So, >>> for example, if you need an audio driver for an XPS 2000 >>> (if that exists) then you go to Dell and download a Dell >>> installer that gives no indication of what audio chip you >>> have. >> >> You're right, there's no question that some of the Dell >> stuff is nasty. A number of people had trouble with audio >> on Dell, and the way things are lashed together, is >> not particularly standard. And Googling is not leading >> anywhere productive. If a manufacturer finds a novel >> way to implement stuff, that's not actually helping >> a customer in any significant way. It's a purpose-less >> tech push thing. >> >> As for a Dell SPxxxxx.exe , you can burrow into those >> with 7Zip and find an INF with the PNP numbers. You can decode >> a bit of the details of what is in there. But if a sound >> driver is 300MB, you would suspect every computer that Dell >> ever manufactured is in that file. Leaving little ability to >> determine what sound chip is in your particular laptop (based >> on the driver offered). > > I do not remember any problems with audio on Dell hardware, but perhaps you both are referring to desktops, whereas I'm actually quite fond of Dell laptops as hardware, having mostly, but certainly not exclusively, good experiences with them. I'm currently using second-hand/used Precision M67/800s as my main PCs, previously I used an Inspiron 15RSE 7520 and Precision M6300s. All have been more or less fine as laptops, but the older machines were a PITA to upgrade or repair compared to the more recent machines. By contrast, a Precision M4300 (note the single digit difference in model number) was a terrible machine, a really junk design. > > However, your point mostly seemed concerned with drivers, and I would agree that, like the confusing model naming and numbering, their support pages for downloading drivers and their naming of them are confusing also. As if navigating the page itself wasn't bad enough, by default if you choose the 'Download all selected' option, you end up with a directory full of meaningless names for the self-extracting downloads. WTF is 'R186621.exe'? You either have to run it to find out, or do as I do and sit and sweat downloading each file individually, renaming them as you go, so the above becomes 'R186621 TouchPad.exe' and given that it is in the directory '\Install\Dell\Precision M6300\Windows 7' on my server, I know exactly what it is. However, the whole rigmarole is a PITA to do whenever you get another model of machine or upgrade the OS on an existing one. > Some of the Dells have Class D digital speakers in the laptop, and the Class D digital speaker has a DSP inside, with firmware that loads over SPI. Now, as a "science experiment", that's just wonderful. What are you running, a disco ball ? The other problem with a couple of generations of those machines, is the sound detection can go wrong for the RealTek. Microsoft can install a Generic driver, in place of your specific Dell driver package. With Microsoft sticking their big elephant feet into the picture, your sound is in for a ride. Microsoft apparently don't like the last generation ReakTek audio, because it likely was putting too much junk at kernel level. I've just seen some complaints in threads. As for my own audio, my Test Machine, the RealTek sound ha Dolby DTS complete with a logo. The generic Microsoft driver removed that. As long as there are "competing solutions" battling for control inside your machine, the end-user is just along for the ride. David's sound is still "clicking" on his Dell, and I could not figure out how best to help. I don't really think it is broken, but it is most likely broken by driver issues. There was a happy time, when HDAudio detection was simple, the laptop speaker amps were passive 2 watt things with no DSP, no firmware, and no "speakers are available" status bit. It's a laptop, sound is meant to suck on it. It's not a 500W Marantz 7.1 . Paul
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Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Boris <nospam@invalid.com> - 2025-01-16 01:06 +0000
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Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 22:16 -0700
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Boris <nospam@invalid.com> - 2025-01-16 06:08 +0000
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-16 11:05 -0700
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-15 23:04 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-16 10:36 +0000
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 13:08 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-17 13:16 +0000
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-17 16:13 +0000
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-17 11:56 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-15 23:08 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-15 23:13 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 09:19 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-16 11:13 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 13:14 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-01-17 13:49 +0000
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-17 12:07 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Boris <nospam@invalid.com> - 2025-01-16 04:20 +0000
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-16 09:50 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-15 21:45 -0700
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-16 12:52 +0000
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-17 05:01 +0000
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-19 14:52 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-19 15:24 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-19 21:39 +0000
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-19 16:59 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-19 17:16 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-19 19:54 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-19 21:44 +0000
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-19 17:05 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-19 22:13 +0000
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-20 13:44 +0100
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-20 13:31 +0000
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-20 08:59 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-20 11:34 +0000
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-20 12:07 +0000
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-20 09:20 -0500
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 13:16 -0700
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-20 12:29 -0700
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-30 20:23 +1100
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account [resend] Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-20 15:15 +0000
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-17 15:17 +0100
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-18 10:22 -0700
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-18 21:05 +0100
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-19 12:32 -0700
Re: Installing Windows 11 Without a Microsoft Account Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-16 09:11 +0000
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