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Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop"

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On 2024-12-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-18 à 05:59, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 15:25, RonB a écrit :
>>>
>>>>> Getting the hardware to work as it should from the moment you're done
>>>>> installing the operating system. A fresh installation of Windows does
>>>>> that. Linux comes close, but you will inevitably be forced to find
>>>>> workarounds for some of your hardware. On this PC in particular, there
>>>>> is no way to get the fingerprint reader to work, you won't get the audio
>>>>> to play at its highest potential volume, and you won't be able to use
>>>>> any of the advanced trackpad gestures. Apparently, it's possible to get
>>>>> the reader by overwriting the firmware and doing a bunch of other
>>>>> complicated junk in Arch alone, but there is no remedy for the sound and
>>>>> none of the desktop environments do too well with simple gestures like
>>>>> two-finger flick to the left or the right to go back or forward on
>>>>> webpages. They give you lots of gestures to do tons of other things like
>>>>> switching virtual desktops, but the most basic thing seems to elude them.
>>>>
>>>> Your "experience" with Linux doesn't match mine. When I moved to Idaho to
>>>> help care for my wife's aging parents, we traveled light. I had a laptop
>>>> but I wanted to use a desktop. I bought one at the second hand store without
>>>> a hard drive. I ran that computer on a Live Linux Mint USB for about two
>>>> months, install took a couple minutes. Try that with Windows. Get back to me
>>>> with your results.
>>>
>>> Part of enabling hardware encryption on Windows requires you to use
>>> Windows To Go in much the way you would Linux on a LiveUSB stick. It's
>>> doable, but Microsoft doesn't give you a direct way of creating such an
>>> installation the way that Linux does. I'll say this much: I do believe
>>> that you ran a live Linux environment for months rather comfortably and
>>> that the installation took little time. That's definitely a strength of
>>> the operating system.
>>>
>>>> As for fingerprint readers, specialized GPUs, etc., I can't say one way or
>>>> the other. I don't use fingerprint readers (even where I have them), nor do
>>>> I care about trackpad gestures. I get rid of tapping on my trackpads and
>>>> want to use them for two things, moving cursor and scrolling.
>>>>
>>>> As for sound, your problems with it are not mine. I guess there are
>>>> advantages to using business machines as opposed to gaming machines. No
>>>> issues with sound on my computers. No Arch ever needed.
>>>
>>> The sound chip uses something called Dolby Atmos in Windows. Without it,
>>> the sound is no different in Windows than it would be in Linux. With it,
>>> the volume is augmented and you can set it up for the type of sound you
>>> are using. It increases the sound without causing crackling and it is
>>> definitely a feature people aren't likely to want to sacrifice. As for
>>> the fingerprint reader, the issue stems from the manufacturer doing
>>> nothing to open its hardware for open-source developers. However,
>>> manufacturers have no obligation to support Linux and they aren't
>>> compensated in any way if they decide to.
>> 
>> Maybe my computers don't have this "Dolby Atmos" because I can't tell any
>> difference between Windows and Linux when I play music on the same computer.
>> I know I don't have any crackling (as it would drive me nuts).
>
> You would have to have this exact machine to see the difference in sound 
> quality between Windows and Linux. Windows is louder and demonstrates 
> the full potential of the speakers; Linux sounds good but it quieter.

I do have the exact machine as I've tested when dual-booting on the same 
computer.

>> I realize that a lot of people like the fingerprint reader, but I saw how
>> these could be used to steal your identity (right when they first came out)
>> and I decided I never wanted to use them.
>
> I agree that it would be trivial to get into the machine of a user if 
> logging in requires nothing more than a fingerprint. I mean, you can 
> just force his finger onto the reader and away you go. It is, however, 
> very convenient if there are protections on every component you use. For 
> example, I have a password to log in but I also have one to open the 
> BitWarden vault, I then require a password/one-time password/key/key 
> password to enter my e-mail, and that's without mentioning that the 
> whole drive is protected by hardware encryption. If you can simplify 
> some of it through the use of a fingerprint, you will.

I'm thinking more of stealing your fingerprint for other uses.

>>>> Yes my wife does update when she's informed that one is necessary. This is
>>>> just Windows being Windows. Microsoft's updates suck.
>>>
>>> I can't say that I like them either, but 11's are definitely better than
>>> 10. The fact that it essentially reinstalls the operating system on big
>>> updates is a bonus for me since it cleans out the crap. It's obviously
>>> much slower than a Linux one, but I don't dislike it.
>> 
>> I've updated Windows 11 a couple times and do think, generally, it's better
>> than Windows 10. So I'll give you that. Still take way too long, though.
>
> For me, Windows 10 was worse than 8 or 8.1. I truly do feel that while 
> the 8.x line was a mess, it performed well since the code was no worse 
> than 7 which was stellar. 10, however, is the result of Microsoft 
> deciding to make more use of the things people hated about 8.x and 
> presenting them differently. Obviously, there were going to be a lot of 
> issues. Had 11 never come to be or if my hardware were such that I would 
> have to make the decision between using Linux or sticking to 10, I would 
> gladly just use Linux. I hated 10 that much.
>
>< snip >

I don't know much about any of these versions of Windows as I basically quit 
using Windows when XP was going to be updated to Vista. I really don't like 
any of them.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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  Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-14 23:56 +0000
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    Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-16 19:48 -0600
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  Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 09:04 -0500
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      Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-16 10:39 -0500
        Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:01 +0000
          Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 08:54 -0500
            Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 20:25 +0000
              Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 17:51 -0500
                Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 10:59 +0000
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                Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 05:46 +0000
                Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 08:49 -0500
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