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Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop"

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Le 2024-12-18 à 05:59, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-17 à 15:25, RonB a écrit :
>>
>>>> Getting the hardware to work as it should from the moment you're done
>>>> installing the operating system. A fresh installation of Windows does
>>>> that. Linux comes close, but you will inevitably be forced to find
>>>> workarounds for some of your hardware. On this PC in particular, there
>>>> is no way to get the fingerprint reader to work, you won't get the audio
>>>> to play at its highest potential volume, and you won't be able to use
>>>> any of the advanced trackpad gestures. Apparently, it's possible to get
>>>> the reader by overwriting the firmware and doing a bunch of other
>>>> complicated junk in Arch alone, but there is no remedy for the sound and
>>>> none of the desktop environments do too well with simple gestures like
>>>> two-finger flick to the left or the right to go back or forward on
>>>> webpages. They give you lots of gestures to do tons of other things like
>>>> switching virtual desktops, but the most basic thing seems to elude them.
>>>
>>> Your "experience" with Linux doesn't match mine. When I moved to Idaho to
>>> help care for my wife's aging parents, we traveled light. I had a laptop
>>> but I wanted to use a desktop. I bought one at the second hand store without
>>> a hard drive. I ran that computer on a Live Linux Mint USB for about two
>>> months, install took a couple minutes. Try that with Windows. Get back to me
>>> with your results.
>>
>> Part of enabling hardware encryption on Windows requires you to use
>> Windows To Go in much the way you would Linux on a LiveUSB stick. It's
>> doable, but Microsoft doesn't give you a direct way of creating such an
>> installation the way that Linux does. I'll say this much: I do believe
>> that you ran a live Linux environment for months rather comfortably and
>> that the installation took little time. That's definitely a strength of
>> the operating system.
>>
>>> As for fingerprint readers, specialized GPUs, etc., I can't say one way or
>>> the other. I don't use fingerprint readers (even where I have them), nor do
>>> I care about trackpad gestures. I get rid of tapping on my trackpads and
>>> want to use them for two things, moving cursor and scrolling.
>>>
>>> As for sound, your problems with it are not mine. I guess there are
>>> advantages to using business machines as opposed to gaming machines. No
>>> issues with sound on my computers. No Arch ever needed.
>>
>> The sound chip uses something called Dolby Atmos in Windows. Without it,
>> the sound is no different in Windows than it would be in Linux. With it,
>> the volume is augmented and you can set it up for the type of sound you
>> are using. It increases the sound without causing crackling and it is
>> definitely a feature people aren't likely to want to sacrifice. As for
>> the fingerprint reader, the issue stems from the manufacturer doing
>> nothing to open its hardware for open-source developers. However,
>> manufacturers have no obligation to support Linux and they aren't
>> compensated in any way if they decide to.
> 
> Maybe my computers don't have this "Dolby Atmos" because I can't tell any
> difference between Windows and Linux when I play music on the same computer.
> I know I don't have any crackling (as it would drive me nuts).

You would have to have this exact machine to see the difference in sound 
quality between Windows and Linux. Windows is louder and demonstrates 
the full potential of the speakers; Linux sounds good but it quieter.

> I realize that a lot of people like the fingerprint reader, but I saw how
> these could be used to steal your identity (right when they first came out)
> and I decided I never wanted to use them.

I agree that it would be trivial to get into the machine of a user if 
logging in requires nothing more than a fingerprint. I mean, you can 
just force his finger onto the reader and away you go. It is, however, 
very convenient if there are protections on every component you use. For 
example, I have a password to log in but I also have one to open the 
BitWarden vault, I then require a password/one-time password/key/key 
password to enter my e-mail, and that's without mentioning that the 
whole drive is protected by hardware encryption. If you can simplify 
some of it through the use of a fingerprint, you will.

>>> Yes my wife does update when she's informed that one is necessary. This is
>>> just Windows being Windows. Microsoft's updates suck.
>>
>> I can't say that I like them either, but 11's are definitely better than
>> 10. The fact that it essentially reinstalls the operating system on big
>> updates is a bonus for me since it cleans out the crap. It's obviously
>> much slower than a Linux one, but I don't dislike it.
> 
> I've updated Windows 11 a couple times and do think, generally, it's better
> than Windows 10. So I'll give you that. Still take way too long, though.

For me, Windows 10 was worse than 8 or 8.1. I truly do feel that while 
the 8.x line was a mess, it performed well since the code was no worse 
than 7 which was stellar. 10, however, is the result of Microsoft 
deciding to make more use of the things people hated about 8.x and 
presenting them differently. Obviously, there were going to be a lot of 
issues. Had 11 never come to be or if my hardware were such that I would 
have to make the decision between using Linux or sticking to 10, I would 
gladly just use Linux. I hated 10 that much.

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CrudeSausage

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        Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:01 +0000
          Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 08:54 -0500
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