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Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop"

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Le 2024-12-17 à 03:01, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:24, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 18:29, DFS a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> "I will use Windows 7 or Mac OS interchangeably as desktops, and often
>>>>> surprise people when they find this out. I actually try to avoid using
>>>>> Linux on the desktop because it's a distraction from my focus, which is
>>>>> Linux userspace internals (non-GUI stuff.)"
>>>>>
>>>>> 2012 interview
>>>>> https://usesthis.com/interviews/daniel.robbins/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Say it ain't so!
>>>>
>>>> It's probably because like most Linux users, he ends up tinkering with
>>>> the system rather than actually getting things done. All MacOS desktops
>>>> more or less look the same but it doesn't matter because most Mac users
>>>> see their machine as a tool to accomplish a task. With Windows, it's
>>>> often the case too but there is always a distraction to keep people away
>>>> from their work. With Linux, it seems to be nothing but distractions.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. I use Linux for the same things I used Windows for (when I still
>>> used Windows). Email, writing, streaming movies, some forums, OCR scanning,
>>> listening to music and using the for Internet news and research. What most
>>> people use their computers for at home. Linux is more efficient than either
>>> Windows or Macs (I know, I've tried both — both are crap in my opinion).
>>
>> Both operating systems have their distractions and I don't find myself
>> any more productive under Linux than I do under Windows. If anything, I
>> constantly have to spend time getting Linux to do the basic things
>> Windows gets right out of the box. Even if I get it to work on Monday,
>> an update might cause it to break on Tuesday necessitating a new kind of
>> fix.
> 
> I'm guessing this is because you have a whole lot more experience with
> Windows than with Linux. I don't have issues getting Linux to do "basic
> things." Not even sure what "basic things" you're talking about.

Getting the hardware to work as it should from the moment you're done 
installing the operating system. A fresh installation of Windows does 
that. Linux comes close, but you will inevitably be forced to find 
workarounds for some of your hardware. On this PC in particular, there 
is no way to get the fingerprint reader to work, you won't get the audio 
to play at its highest potential volume, and you won't be able to use 
any of the advanced trackpad gestures. Apparently, it's possible to get 
the reader by overwriting the firmware and doing a bunch of other 
complicated junk in Arch alone, but there is no remedy for the sound and 
none of the desktop environments do too well with simple gestures like 
two-finger flick to the left or the right to go back or forward on 
webpages. They give you lots of gestures to do tons of other things like 
switching virtual desktops, but the most basic thing seems to elude them.

> I just spent about three hours getting my wife's desktop to boot and update
> to the newest Windows 11 update (which is why I suspect it locked up in the
> first place). Once I got Windows to boot (by disconnecting the hard drive
> and removing it from the "boot choice" in the BIOS — it took an hour and a
> half to download the update and install it — than about another ten minutes
> after rebooting... doing something or other. This is on a 10th generation
> Intel CPU, with 40 GBs of RAM, using an NVMe SSD, with an Internet speeds of
> about 650 Mbps. Heaven knows how long it would have taken with slower
> Internet, an older CPU and 8 GBs of RAM.

I wouldn't want to find out. If she doesn't update regularly as she 
should, I have no sympathy for the fact that she had to go through one 
long update which took hours. My wife is the same way and I don't bother 
to help her anymore since she keeps doing it to herself despite my warnings.

> So, one of the "basic things" for me is being able to start and update the
> damn computer without it locking up and taking over an hour a half just to
> download and install an update. I have never had to deal with something like
> this in the 18 years I've been using Linux (except when supporting my
> family's Windows' machines).

I admit that this isn't ideal. However, once that update completes, you 
know that your desktop will work as it should preserving all settings 
and software. I would rather that be the expectation and what Microsoft 
promises than the fast alternative requiring you to fix (if you're 
capable) a Linux installation or completely reinstall it. I'm sure that 
you've had nothing but good luck in eighteen years of using Linux since 
I have no reason to doubt your sincerity, but I've experienced way too 
many broken installations which crashed because some obscure library 
went from 0.32.8.1 to 0.32.8.2.


-- 
CrudeSausage

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Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-14 18:29 -0500
  Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-14 23:56 +0000
    Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-15 00:40 +0000
      Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-15 09:16 +0000
    Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-15 11:11 -0500
      Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-20 09:46 -0500
    Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-16 19:48 -0600
      Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:04 +0000
  Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-15 00:14 +0000
  Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-15 09:04 -0500
    Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-16 10:24 +0000
      Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-16 10:39 -0500
        Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 08:01 +0000
          Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 08:54 -0500
            Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 20:25 +0000
              Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 17:51 -0500
                Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 10:59 +0000
                Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 08:57 -0500
                Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 07:45 +0000
                Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 08:56 -0500
                Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 05:46 +0000
                Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 08:49 -0500
                Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-20 18:18 +0000
          Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-17 20:24 +0000
            Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-18 10:48 +0000
  Re: Founder of Gentoo Daniel Robbins: "I actually try to avoid using Linux on the desktop" Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-15 14:30 -0500

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