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Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4

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Hello David,

On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 6:13 PM, David Christensen <
dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> wrote:

> On 04/21/18 14:24, Kenneth Parker wrote:
>
>> ... wireless.kernel.org to download Firmware for this B43 Device.
>>
>
> My decommissioned Dell Inspiron E1505 required the same firmware.  I
> bought a replacement WiFi card in the hopes it would be better supported by
> GNU/Linux and *BSD, but can't remember if that idea worked...
>
> This is a Laptop.

>
> But how do I download something, when I have no Internet, due to this
>> "Non-Free Chipset"?
>>
>
> You need another device that can access the Internet, download the file,
> and put it onto a USB flash drive in the 'firmware' directory:
>

I went partway through that, even using Broadcom's Site and bringing a
DRIVER in.  But I'm in a Learning Curve, regarding Firmware Updates.

>
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
>
> https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04.html.en
>
> Thanks! I will read those.

>
> In other words, a long-term Linux Geek, all the way back to Debian 2.1
>> (Command Line Only, back in 2000) is stymied with something that, back
>> then
>> could easily have been fixed, by copying files from a different System,
>> via
>> Floppy Disks!   Oh well...
>>
>
> Vote with your dollars -- buy FOSS-friendly hardware.
>
> This isn't my Computer.  But Point well taken!

>
> One more thing:  Because of some changes, from 8 to 9, I am being asked to
>> do Network Administration, with both Hands behind my Back:  Debian CD1
>> does  *NOT*  install the ifconfig command, which I might have been able to
>> use, to troubleshoot, even *FINDING* the WiFi Adapter.  Ouch!
>>
>
> AFAIK ifconfig was superseded by some component of systemd.
>

It's still, temporarily available in a "deprecated package"  Net-Tools.
Since it's now marked "Optional", it's not on CD-1.  Here at home, where
I'm "Mirroring" the MacBook on Virtualbox, I will study the new "ip"
Command, and see if it can show me the  WiFi Adapter, even though it's down.

>
>
> If enough people install net-tools and popularity-contest, ifconfig(8)
> will make it to CD 1.
>

See, that was the problem:  When I needed them most, Command Line Options,
that have been around FOREVER, weren't there.  I looked like a Doofus!

Incidentally, I was unable to find a book titled "SystemD for Dummies".  I
absolutely feel like a Dummy, around *THAT*!


>
> Alternatively, try Devuan:
>
> https://devuan.org/


Thanks!  I'll install it under Virtualbox.

Alternatively, I could have used Debian 8, which is, likely still being
supported.

>
> David
>
> Kenneth Parker
--  Still feeling like a Dinosaur!

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  Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of  Debian 9.4 Abdullah Ramazanoglu <ar018@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-21 23:50 +0200
  Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4 Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2018-04-22 00:00 +0200
    Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of  Debian 9.4 Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 00:10 +0200
      Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of  Debian 9.4 Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-04-22 00:40 +0200
  Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of  Debian 9.4 David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-04-22 00:20 +0200
    Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of  Debian 9.4 Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-04-22 00:40 +0200
      Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of  Debian 9.4 Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 02:10 +0200
        Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of  Debian 9.4 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-04-22 20:30 +0200
    Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of  Debian 9.4 Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 00:50 +0200
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      Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of  Debian 9.4 David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-04-22 20:00 +0200
        Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of  Debian 9.4 <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-04-22 20:10 +0200
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            Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of  Debian 9.4 Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-04-23 15:10 +0200
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        Re: Network-related Chicken and Egg Issue, attempting Install of Debian 9.4 Eike Lantzsch <zp6cge@gmx.net> - 2018-04-22 20:40 +0200

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