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| From | Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.theory |
| Subject | Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? |
| Date | 2024-07-05 10:20 +0300 |
| Organization | - |
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On 2024-07-04 12:39:09 +0000, olcott said:
> On 7/4/2024 1:29 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2024-07-03 13:13:59 +0000, olcott said:
>>
>>> On 7/3/2024 2:42 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2024-07-03 01:18:52 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 7/2/2024 8:07 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/2/24 7:03 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 5:44 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/2/24 3:46 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 2:17 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 21:00 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 1:42 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 14:22 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/2/2024 3:22 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Op 02.jul.2024 om 03:25 schreef olcott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> typedef void (*ptr)();
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> int HHH(ptr P);
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> void Infinite_Loop()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> void Infinite_Recursion()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Infinite_Recursion();
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> int main()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HHH(Infinite_Loop);
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HHH(Infinite_Recursion);
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every C programmer that knows what an x86 emulator is knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that when HHH emulates the machine language of Infinite_Loop,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Infinite_Recursion, and DDD that it must abort these emulations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that itself can terminate normally.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether or not it *must* abort is not very relevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This <is> the problem that I am willing to discuss.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am unwilling to discuss any other problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This does meet the Sipser approved criteria.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
>>>>>>>>>>>>> until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stop running unless aborted then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Repeating the same thing that has already been proved to be irrelevant
>>>>>>>>>>>> does not bring the discussion any further.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sipser is not relevant, because that is about a correct simulation.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your simulation is not correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you disagree with this you are either dishonest
>>>>>>>>>>> or clueless I no longer care which one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>>>>>>> [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>>>> [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>>>>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>>>>>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04
>>>>>>>>>>> [00002182] 5d pop ebp
>>>>>>>>>>> [00002183] c3 ret
>>>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> DDD is correctly emulated by HHH which calls an
>>>>>>>>>>> emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process until aborted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HHH repeats the process twice and aborts too soon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are freaking thinking too damn narrow minded.
>>>>>>>>> DDD is correctly emulated by any HHH that can exist
>>>>>>>>> which calls this emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process
>>>>>>>>> until aborted (which may be never).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only if your definiton of "Correct" includes things that are not correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your problem is you just assume things to exist that don't, because you
>>>>>>>> don't understand what Truth actually means.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, where is that Diagonalization proof you said you had to show Godel wrong?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or are you just admitting you LIED about that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> void DDD()
>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>> HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> int main()
>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>> HHH(DDD);
>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>>>>> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
>>>>>>> until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
>>>>>>> stop running unless aborted then
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
>>>>>>> specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
>>>>>>> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Professor Sipser would agree that HHH/DDD meets the above criteria*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your HHH that returns an answer does NOT "Correctly Simulate" its input
>>>>>> by the definition of producing the exact results of executing the
>>>>>> machine represented by it,
>>>>>
>>>>> I can see what you fail to understand. Professor Sipser would
>>>>> not make this same mistake.
>>>>>
>>>>> Professor Sipser probably does understand the x86 language.
>>>>
>>>> What makes you think so? How can you justify "probably" instead of, say,
>>>> "pssobly"?
>>>>
>>>> The following contains nothing relevant:
>>>>
>>>>> Shared-memory implementation of the Karp-Sipser
>>>>> kernelization process
>>>>> https://inria.hal.science/hal-03404798/file/hipc2021.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you make sure to not pay attention than you you
>>> won't find anything relevant. I searched for ["sipser" "x86"]
>>
>> Finding that you present claims without support is relevant enough for me.
>>
>
> Knowledge of the x86 language is 100% complete support.
No, it is not. It might support your cliams a but if your writing would
reveal significant knowledge of the x86 language but it doesn't.
--
Mikko
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Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? --- Richard seems to be willfully ignorant olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-03 11:14 -0500
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Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Liar ??? Maybe... "Fred. Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@HetNet.nl> - 2024-07-04 21:32 +0200
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Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Can ADD be this severe? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-04 09:42 +0300
Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Can ADD be this severe? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-04 07:41 -0500
Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Can ADD be this severe? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-04 11:24 -0400
Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Can ADD be this severe? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-07-05 10:27 +0300
Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Can ADD be this severe? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-05 07:10 -0500
Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? Can ADD be this severe? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-07-05 11:15 -0400
Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-04 10:13 +0000
Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-07-04 07:45 -0500
Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-02 11:32 +0000
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Re: Flat out dishonest or totally ignorant? joes <noreply@example.org> - 2024-07-02 14:48 +0000
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