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Re: App

From	Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.usage.english, alt.english.usage
Subject	Re: App
Date	2024-05-04 19:25 -0400
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 5/4/2024 12:56 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Sat, 4 May 2024 02:11:51 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 5/4/2024 1:01 AM, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> Yes, they're all programs, but some are applications, like word
>>> processors, spreadsheets, databases etc.
>>>
>>> But I have a program called "Glary Utilities", which is not an
>>> application. It just helps the computer to run better. Likewise, the
>>> operating system is a program, but not an application. 
>>
>> The operating system is not a program. It is an executive.
> 
> In MyEnglish the definition of a program is "a set of instructions to
> operate a computer". Is this "Executive" not that?
> 
> My first computer had an OS in ROM, with built-in BASIC, with which
> you could write other programs and save them and their data on tape,
> but all were programs. With a couple of add-ons you could have a DOS
> (CP/M), and save stuff on floppy disks, but that by-passed the BASIC
> in ROM, so you had to get programming languages that ran under CP/M,
> but whether they loaded from ROM, tape or disks, all there sets of
> instructions tomake the computer do different things. 

If you boot a memtest floppy, that is a single program that
runs 100% of the time. Nobody tells it to do anything.
It is the boss. All machine resources are available.

If it wanted to erase your hard drive, nothing would stop it.

The frame buffer for the graphics are at a fixed address. It
takes fixed font pixmaps of characters and writes them to the
frame buffer. That makes the character display.

The memory is linear mapped. The virtual address equals the physical address.
It could be using "Giant Pages", a 1GB mapping, as you might notice the
program has a fixation with 1GB and 2GB chunks as it runs. Loading the
mapper, is an executive-type function.

You can see then, that it is running the restaurant all by itself.
It's taking the orders (from the keyboard), it's running into the
back of the restaurant to the kitchen, it is putting steaks and
veggies on the table and cooking the steak, it's doing all the jobs.
That means, when the guy wrote the program, he had to "think of
all the details", not just "some of the details". Well, that's what
happens when you have No Executive.

*******

When a program runs in an OS, a lot of details have been worked out.
The program "just sits down and eats". It worries not about the
grill, about the dish washer person, about the staff to carry the
orders to the tables and so on. The memory mapper is set defensively
by the executive, to prevent "shenanigans" (self-modifying code is
not allowed, and has not been allowed for a lot of years). This
means the code segment is read only, and after the loader has
loaded it (written to it), the mapping the program sees for its
code is read-only.

   Paul

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          Re: App nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-04-29 13:45 +0200
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              Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-29 13:38 -0400
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                Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-04-30 14:18 +1000
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                Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-30 08:45 -0400
                Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-29 22:48 -0400
                Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 09:32 +0200
                Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-30 09:28 -0400
                Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 09:27 +0200
                Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 11:06 +0200
              Re: App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-04 07:01 +0200
                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-04 02:11 -0400
                Re: App John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2024-05-04 10:28 +0100
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                Re: App Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-05-04 14:51 +0000
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                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-04 19:25 -0400
                Re: App Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-05-05 14:02 -0500
                Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-05-05 13:59 +1000
                Re: App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-06 05:56 +0200
                Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-05-06 07:37 +0200
                Re: App Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-05-06 07:15 -0700
                Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-04 23:40 -0600
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                Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-05 23:18 -0600
                Re: App nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-05-06 13:52 +0200
                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-06 14:47 -0400
                Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-05-07 10:09 +1000
                Re: App Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-05-14 15:31 -0500
                Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-14 22:40 -0600
                Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-06 19:18 -0600
                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-06 22:14 -0400
                Re: App nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-05-07 10:41 +0200
                Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-05-05 11:28 +0200
                Re: App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-06 06:02 +0200
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            Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 09:35 +0200
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