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Re: App

From	"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.usage.english, alt.english.usage
Subject	Re: App
Date	2024-04-29 06:33 -0700
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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Newyana2 wrote:
> Steve Hayes wrote:
>>
>> In my understanding and usage "app" is short for "application program"
>> and is distingushed from other programs by what it is used for. There
>> are programs like "utilities" that are for maintaining the computer's
>> running, or system programs that are not apps.
> 
>   Whether we like it or not, I think V's explanation is entirely
> accurate. App started with Steve Jobs and became a word
> that meant cellphone applet. It was typical of Apple, creating
> a cutesy, child-like environment that would placate and
> entertain people afraid of tech, with icons that look like
> they're designed by a 12 year old girl who dots her i's with
> little hearts.
> 
>    On Windows it's always been "programs". Only some
> programmers say "application". (It could be worse. For
> awhile people were talking about their programming
> projects as "solutions".)

Yes, that wouldn't have been a good thing.

>    Having established that app means cellphone applet, MS
> have made things more clear. They've gone from Metro to
> RT to UWP to name essentially the same crippled, interpreted
> applet software. Who knows those terms? No one outside of
> Windows programming. With the Start Menu separating Programs
> from Apps it becomes still more clear. These Metro applets are,
> and are meant to be, more like cellphone applets than Windows
> software. They're a completely different animal, closer to
> dyanmic webpages than to complied executables. (Though,
> frankly, I've never found a clear explanation of exactly how
> they work. I've seen lists of restricted APIs. I've seen lists
> of all the ways one can write a Metro applet -- from HTML to
> C++. But I've never seen a technical explanation of exactly how
> they operate and get interpreted.)

My understanding of them is that they're more or less like a portable
app that uses callouts to modules which are standard in every Windows
version since W8. The "apps" are hidden in a folder named "C:/Program
Files/WindowsApps". You may think you can "uninstall" them, but all that
does is to (usually) turn them off if they normally run in the
background AND to eliminate access to them. The program files actually
remain in the WindowsApps folder. Steps to access to that folder are
easily found on the internet so that you can delete the program files,
but doing so can be risky if the files you delete are for "apps" that
come by default with Windows.

>   I often call them Metro apps because that's the first name
> MS came up with and it's the only name with flavor. RT and UWP
> are terms only geeks can like. Metro carries a connotation of
> urban fashion. As though Bill Gates had decided to buy an iPhone,
> get a haircut that costs more than $10, and invite some intelligentsia
> over for winetasting. MS probably hoped that the flat, ugly,
> borderless monotone of Metro apps, with the Apple-style slide
> controls, would seem hip and artfully sparse.

It made me gag.

>   That's an interesting pattern with fashions. For example, with
> the use of color, rare and intense colors were prized for millennia.
> Then we came up with "day-glo" fluorescent colors. All colors were
> possible and cheap. So what were gourmands to do? Subtle variations
> of beige became all the rage. Computers have been similar. We had
> 3-D. We had walnut burl windows. We had boombox windows. With
> Win7 we had clever translucency and grass growing on window
> frames. Garish and complicated had reached their limit. Where was
> there to go? Hues of beige. That's basically what the Metro theme is.
> The fashion sophisticate now goes for minimalist, ever since excess
> became effortless. Though I'm not sure how much of the computing
> public gets that particular joke.

For me, one of the most frustrating things about W10 is the massively
reduced UI configurability.

-- 
John C.

Thread

Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-25 03:57 -0700
  Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-25 08:27 -0400
  Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2024-04-25 14:46 +0100
    Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:26 -0700
      Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-28 13:58 -0500
        App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-04-29 05:17 +0200
          Re: App Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2024-04-29 13:36 +0300
            Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-29 12:50 +0200
          Re: App nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-04-29 13:45 +0200
            Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-29 13:47 +0200
          Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-29 08:59 -0400
            Re: App "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-29 06:33 -0700
              Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-29 13:38 -0400
                Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-04-30 10:47 +1000
                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-04-29 22:21 -0400
                Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-04-30 14:18 +1000
                Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-04-30 14:31 +1000
                Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-30 08:45 -0400
                Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-29 22:48 -0400
                Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 09:32 +0200
                Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-30 09:28 -0400
                Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 09:27 +0200
                Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 11:06 +0200
              Re: App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-04 07:01 +0200
                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-04 02:11 -0400
                Re: App John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2024-05-04 10:28 +0100
                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-04 10:43 -0400
                Re: App Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-05-04 14:51 +0000
                Re: App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-04 18:56 +0200
                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-04 19:25 -0400
                Re: App Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-05-05 14:02 -0500
                Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-05-05 13:59 +1000
                Re: App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-06 05:56 +0200
                Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-05-06 07:37 +0200
                Re: App Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-05-06 07:15 -0700
                Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-04 23:40 -0600
                Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-05-05 18:15 +1000
                Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-05 23:18 -0600
                Re: App nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-05-06 13:52 +0200
                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-06 14:47 -0400
                Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-05-07 10:09 +1000
                Re: App Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-05-14 15:31 -0500
                Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-14 22:40 -0600
                Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-06 19:18 -0600
                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-06 22:14 -0400
                Re: App nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-05-07 10:41 +0200
                Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-05-05 11:28 +0200
                Re: App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-06 06:02 +0200
                Re: App 0rby <graham@custompc.plus.com> - 2024-05-04 18:34 +0100
                Re: App 0rby <graham@custompc.plus.com> - 2024-05-04 18:46 +0100
            Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-04-30 10:48 +1000
            Re: App Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2024-05-05 23:40 +0300
          Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-04-29 17:05 -0400
            Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 09:35 +0200
        Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-29 05:53 -0700
  Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-04-25 14:30 +0000
    Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-04-25 08:51 -0700
      Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-25 13:32 -0500
        Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:34 -0700
          Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-28 13:53 -0500
            Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-29 06:15 -0700
            Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-29 12:00 -0500
    Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-04-25 17:47 +0000
      Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:42 -0700
    Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-04-26 02:09 -0400
      Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:49 -0700
        Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-04-28 13:59 -0400
  Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2024-04-25 16:56 +0100
    Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:50 -0700
      Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-28 14:14 -0500
        Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-29 06:23 -0700
      Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-01 16:23 -0400
  Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-25 12:44 -0500
    Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:56 -0700
  Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-04-26 02:13 -0400
    Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:58 -0700
  Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2024-04-29 15:12 +0100

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