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Re: App

From	Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.usage.english, alt.english.usage
Subject	Re: App
Date	2024-05-04 10:43 -0400
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<v15hho$18mnp$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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On 5/4/2024 5:28 AM, John Hall wrote:
> In message <v14jj8$12jqr$1@dont-email.me>, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> writes
> <big snip>
>> The operating system is not a program. It is an executive.
> 
> That brings back memories. The computer I used back in the 1970s, 
> an ICL 1900, actually called the core part of its OS "Executive" with a capital E.

There are some differences.

Mainframes were "ball jugglers". They could support 500 users at once,
by keeping 490 sessions "asleep". A limited number of users would be
in "near orbit" and have access to CPU cycles. Perhaps one drive, or
even, an entire Storage Director, took care of paging of jobs.

This was managed with disk drives (and occasionally, if you were lucky,
with a drum storage device).

The difference on a personal computer, is there is no juggling of processes
in the same way. The processes are stored in memory, and are "ready to run".
The scheduler gives them slices. Some of the things in Task Manager, use
zero cycles, they use nothing at all. They are "mostly silent". Only a few
of the SVCHOSTs are busy little beavers. Some things related to security,
might always have a busy stance.

Modern Windows has taken to "suspending" some items, but it's unclear whether
that ever pans out (actually helps a user). Some of the same states as were
always there, are still present. The "zombie" state for example. A "zombie"
is a process that did not get harvested properly, and might disappear on a reboot.

And while early Windows had pagefile.sys for paging out of virtual memory,
that's hardly ever used on machines potentially using SSD drives for storage.
We really are reliant now, on gobs of main memory, embarrassing excess,
for how the machine works. That's how my browser a few minutes ago, could
be using 7GB of memory, while a web site recorded every line I read on a
web page. They measured my "interest" in each article, my dwell time,
whether I saw the adverts or not. They even interfere with my scroll
bar, until I get annoyed and close the session.

   Paul

Thread

Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-25 03:57 -0700
  Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-25 08:27 -0400
  Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2024-04-25 14:46 +0100
    Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:26 -0700
      Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-28 13:58 -0500
        App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-04-29 05:17 +0200
          Re: App Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2024-04-29 13:36 +0300
            Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-29 12:50 +0200
          Re: App nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-04-29 13:45 +0200
            Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-29 13:47 +0200
          Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-29 08:59 -0400
            Re: App "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-29 06:33 -0700
              Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-29 13:38 -0400
                Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-04-30 10:47 +1000
                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-04-29 22:21 -0400
                Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-04-30 14:18 +1000
                Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-04-30 14:31 +1000
                Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-30 08:45 -0400
                Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-29 22:48 -0400
                Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 09:32 +0200
                Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-30 09:28 -0400
                Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 09:27 +0200
                Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 11:06 +0200
              Re: App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-04 07:01 +0200
                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-04 02:11 -0400
                Re: App John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2024-05-04 10:28 +0100
                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-04 10:43 -0400
                Re: App Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-05-04 14:51 +0000
                Re: App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-04 18:56 +0200
                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-04 19:25 -0400
                Re: App Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-05-05 14:02 -0500
                Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-05-05 13:59 +1000
                Re: App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-06 05:56 +0200
                Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-05-06 07:37 +0200
                Re: App Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-05-06 07:15 -0700
                Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-04 23:40 -0600
                Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-05-05 18:15 +1000
                Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-05 23:18 -0600
                Re: App nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-05-06 13:52 +0200
                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-06 14:47 -0400
                Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-05-07 10:09 +1000
                Re: App Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-05-14 15:31 -0500
                Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-14 22:40 -0600
                Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-06 19:18 -0600
                Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-06 22:14 -0400
                Re: App nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-05-07 10:41 +0200
                Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-05-05 11:28 +0200
                Re: App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-06 06:02 +0200
                Re: App 0rby <graham@custompc.plus.com> - 2024-05-04 18:34 +0100
                Re: App 0rby <graham@custompc.plus.com> - 2024-05-04 18:46 +0100
            Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-04-30 10:48 +1000
            Re: App Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2024-05-05 23:40 +0300
          Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-04-29 17:05 -0400
            Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 09:35 +0200
        Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-29 05:53 -0700
  Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-04-25 14:30 +0000
    Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-04-25 08:51 -0700
      Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-25 13:32 -0500
        Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:34 -0700
          Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-28 13:53 -0500
            Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-29 06:15 -0700
            Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-29 12:00 -0500
    Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-04-25 17:47 +0000
      Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:42 -0700
    Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-04-26 02:09 -0400
      Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:49 -0700
        Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-04-28 13:59 -0400
  Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2024-04-25 16:56 +0100
    Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:50 -0700
      Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-28 14:14 -0500
        Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-29 06:23 -0700
      Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-01 16:23 -0400
  Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-25 12:44 -0500
    Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:56 -0700
  Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-04-26 02:13 -0400
    Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:58 -0700
  Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2024-04-29 15:12 +0100

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