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Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas

From Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Newsgroups linux.kernel
Subject Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas
Date 2017-07-06 02:40 +0200
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On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
>>
>> As part of that should we put restrictions on the environment of
>> set*id exec too?
>
> I'm not seeing what sane limits you could use.
>
> I think the concept of "reset as much of the environment to sane
> things when running suid binaries" is a good concepr.
>
> But we simply don't have any sane values to reset things to.

I wonder if we could pull some "sane" values out of our arses and have
it work just fine.

It's worth noting that a lot of the rlimits don't meaningfully
restrict the use of any particular resource, so we could plausibly
drop requirements to have privilege to increase them if we really
cared to.  I don't see why we'd make such a change, but it means that,
if we reset on set*id and therefore poke a hole that allows a program
to do "sudo -u $me whatever" and thereby reset limits, it's not so
bad.  A tiny survey:

RLIMIT_AS: not a systemwide resource at all.
RLIMIT_CORE: more or less just a policy of what you do when you crash.
I don't see how you could do much damage here.
RLIMIT_CPU: unless you're not allowed to fork(), this doesn't restrict
anything systemwide.
RLIMIT_DATA: ***
RLIMIT_FSIZE: maybe?  but I can see this being quite dangerous across set*id
RLIMIT_LOCKS: gone
RLIMIT_MEMLOCK: this one matters, but it also seems nearly worthless
for exploits
RLIMIT_MSGQUEUE: privilege matters here
RLIMIT_NICE: maybe?  anyone who actually cares would use cgroups instead
RLIMIT_NOFILE: great for exploits.  Only sort of useful for resource management
RLIMIT_NPROC: privilege matters here
RLIMIT_RTTIME: privilege kind of matters.  Also dangerous for exploits
(a bit) since it lets you kill your children at controlled times.
RLIMIT_SIGPENDING: not sure
RLIMIT_STACK: ***

*** means that this is a half-arsed resource control.  It's half-arsed
because this stuff doesn't cover mmap(2), which seems to me like it
defeats the purpose.  This stuff feels like a throwback to the
eighties.

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Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-04 02:00 +0200
  Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-04 02:10 +0200
    Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 10:50 +0200
      Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 11:40 +0200
        Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-04 11:50 +0200
          Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 12:50 +0200
            Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-04 13:40 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 14:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 14:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-04 14:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 14:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ximin Luo <infinity0@debian.org> - 2017-07-04 16:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 16:50 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-04 18:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 19:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-04 20:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-04 21:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-04 20:50 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-04 18:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas John Haxby <john.haxby@oracle.com> - 2017-07-04 18:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-04 19:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 14:30 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-04 19:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 14:30 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 01:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-05 01:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 08:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-05 10:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 10:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-05 11:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 14:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-05 16:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 16:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-05 18:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-06 09:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 14:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 16:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 17:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 18:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 19:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 19:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 19:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-05 19:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-06 01:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-06 02:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-06 10:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-06 12:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 18:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-05 18:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 19:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 21:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-05 22:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2017-07-05 23:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-06 02:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-07-06 02:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-07-06 02:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-06 02:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-07-06 02:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-06 02:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-07-06 02:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-07-06 04:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-06 07:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Kevin Easton <kevin@guarana.org> - 2017-07-06 07:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-05 18:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-05 21:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-05 21:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-05 21:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-05 21:20 +0200
                Re: [vs-plain] Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas "kseifried@redhat.com" <kseifried@redhat.com> - 2017-07-05 03:20 +0200
                Re: [vs-plain] Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Solar Designer <solar@openwall.com> - 2017-07-05 16:20 +0200
        Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 12:50 +0200
          Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 13:00 +0200
  Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 02:30 +0200
  Re: [vs-plain] Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas John Haxby <john.haxby@oracle.com> - 2017-07-04 14:30 +0200

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