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Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas

From Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>
Newsgroups linux.kernel
Subject Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas
Date 2017-07-04 14:30 +0200
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On Tue, 2017-07-04 at 14:00 +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 04-07-17 12:36:11, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > On Tue, 2017-07-04 at 12:42 +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > On Tue 04-07-17 11:47:28, Willy Tarreau wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 11:35:38AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > > > But wouldn't this completely disable the check in case such a guard page
> > > > is installed, and possibly continue to allow the collision when the stack
> > > > allocation is large enough to skip this guard page ?
> > > 
> > > Yes and but a PROT_NONE would fault and as the changelog says, we _hope_
> > > that userspace does the right thing.
> > 
> > It may well not be large enough, because of the same wrong assumptions
> > that resulted in the kernel's guard page not being large enough.  We
> > should count it as part of the guard gap but not a substitute.
> 
> yes, you are right of course. But isn't this a bug on their side
> considering they are managing their _own_ stack gap?

Yes it's their bug, but you know the rule - don't break user-space.

> Our stack gap
> management is a best effort thing and two such approaches competing will
> always lead to weird cornercases. That was my assumption when saying
> that I am not sure this is really _worth_ it. We should definitely try
> to workaround clashes but that's about it. If others think that we
> should do everything to prevent even those issues I will not oppose
> of course. It just adds more cycles to something that is a weird case
> already.

I don't want odd behaviour to weaken the stack guard.

> [...]
> 
> > This *doesn't* fix the LibreOffice regression on i386.
> 
> Are there any details about this regression?

Here:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865303#170

I haven't reproduced it in Writer, but if I use Base to create a new
HSQLDB database it reliably crashes (HSQLDB is implemented in Java).

Ben.

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Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-04 02:00 +0200
  Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-04 02:10 +0200
    Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 10:50 +0200
      Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 11:40 +0200
        Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-04 11:50 +0200
          Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 12:50 +0200
            Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-04 13:40 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 14:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 14:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-04 14:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 14:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ximin Luo <infinity0@debian.org> - 2017-07-04 16:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 16:50 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-04 18:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 19:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-04 20:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-04 20:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-04 21:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-04 20:50 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-04 18:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas John Haxby <john.haxby@oracle.com> - 2017-07-04 18:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-04 19:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 14:30 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-04 19:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 14:30 +0200
              Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 01:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-05 01:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 08:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-05 10:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 10:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-05 11:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 14:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-05 16:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 16:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-05 18:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-06 09:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 14:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 16:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 17:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 18:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 19:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 19:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 19:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-05 19:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-06 01:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-06 02:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-06 10:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-06 12:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 18:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-05 18:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-07-05 19:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-05 21:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-05 22:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> - 2017-07-05 23:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2017-07-06 02:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-07-06 02:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-07-06 02:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-06 02:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-07-06 02:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-06 02:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-07-06 02:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> - 2017-07-06 04:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-06 07:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Kevin Easton <kevin@guarana.org> - 2017-07-06 07:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-05 18:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-05 21:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> - 2017-07-05 21:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-05 21:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> - 2017-07-05 21:20 +0200
                Re: [vs-plain] Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas "kseifried@redhat.com" <kseifried@redhat.com> - 2017-07-05 03:20 +0200
                Re: [vs-plain] Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Solar Designer <solar@openwall.com> - 2017-07-05 16:20 +0200
        Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 12:50 +0200
          Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 13:00 +0200
  Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> - 2017-07-04 02:30 +0200
  Re: [vs-plain] Re: [PATCH] mm: larger stack guard gap, between vmas John Haxby <john.haxby@oracle.com> - 2017-07-04 14:30 +0200

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