Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"

From	Russell Stuart <russell-debian@stuart.id.au>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.devel
Subject	Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"
Date	2017-04-07 04:30 +0200
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On Thu, 2017-04-06 at 09:22 +1000, Russell Stuart wrote:
> Anyway, this discussion prompted me to get off my bum and look at why
> unattended-upgrades wasn't working.  Turns out the default install
> has "label=Debian-Security", and all these laptops are running
> testing.  I guess the assumption that people running testing have the
> wherewithal to configure their machines properly isn't unreasonable.

And ... that wasn't the full story.  The full story is when you install
unattended-upgrades it defaults to "off", or more precisely this
debconf setting default to "false":

    unattended-upgrades/enable_auto_updates

This sort of thing drives me insane.  Unattended-upgrades doesn't do
anything if you don't set this to true, and why would you install it if
you didn't want it to run?  I guess it must be because some packages
depend on it, and maybe they run it themselves rather than relying on
anacron.  If that's the reason the solution is to split into two
packages, maybe "unattended-upgrades" which does do what it says on the
box and "unattended-upgrades-common" witch other packages can depend on
safely.

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"Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2017-03-31 22:50 +0200
  Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Niels Thykier <niels@thykier.net> - 2017-04-01 09:20 +0200
  Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Russell Stuart <russell-debian@stuart.id.au> - 2017-04-03 02:30 +0200
    Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-04-03 07:00 +0200
      Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Scott Leggett <scott@sl.id.au> - 2017-04-04 14:10 +0200
      Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Timo Aaltonen <tjaalton@debian.org> - 2017-04-04 15:40 +0200
    Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Brian May <brian@linuxpenguins.xyz> - 2017-04-03 07:40 +0200
      Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Russell Stuart <russell-debian@stuart.id.au> - 2017-04-03 08:10 +0200
    Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-04-04 01:00 +0200
      Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-04-04 02:20 +0200
        Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-04-04 22:50 +0200
          Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-04-05 05:20 +0200
            Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Russell Stuart <russell-debian@stuart.id.au> - 2017-04-05 07:00 +0200
              Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Florian Lohoff <f@zz.de> - 2017-04-05 08:10 +0200
                Laptop reboot and suspend Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2017-04-05 10:30 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2017-04-05 13:40 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Nikolaus Rath <Nikolaus@rath.org> - 2017-04-06 00:20 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2017-04-06 21:10 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Nikolaus Rath <Nikolaus@rath.org> - 2017-04-07 01:10 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> - 2017-04-07 02:00 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2017-04-07 03:00 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2017-04-07 09:20 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Florian Lohoff <f@zz.de> - 2017-04-07 21:10 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Pavlo Solntsev <pavlo.solntsev@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 22:10 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2017-04-08 09:50 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Nikolaus Rath <Nikolaus@rath.org> - 2017-04-09 02:40 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Ritesh Raj Sarraf <rrs@debian.org> - 2017-04-08 12:20 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Vincent Danjean <vdanjean.ml@free.fr> - 2017-04-07 13:30 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Russell Stuart <russell-debian@stuart.id.au> - 2017-04-06 01:30 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Russell Stuart <russell-debian@stuart.id.au> - 2017-04-07 04:30 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-04-13 07:30 +0200
              Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2017-04-05 08:40 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" md@Linux.IT (Marco d'Itri) - 2017-04-05 09:00 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2017-04-05 09:20 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" md@Linux.IT (Marco d'Itri) - 2017-04-05 13:40 +0200
              Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2017-04-05 08:40 +0200
              Attention Russel Stuart Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2017-04-05 14:00 +0200
                Re: Attention Russell Stuart Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2017-04-05 15:30 +0200
  Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-04-07 03:00 +0200

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