Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"

From	Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.devel
Subject	Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"
Date	2017-04-05 05:20 +0200
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On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 4:47 AM, Sean Whitton wrote:

> Do you know if anyone is working on including this in the default
> desktop install?  If it works well, it seems like an uncontroversial
> inclusion that does not depend on the debate over unattended-upgrades.
> I don't know which package would need to be changed, so I'm not sure
> where to look for an existing wishlist bug.

Not AFAIK. I would guess that needrestart would need to be promoted to
standard priority and needrestart-session would need to be added to
tasksel's task-desktop package, or to each of the task-*-desktop
packages; this adds wxWidgets to the default install though. The
latter would allow different desktops to add different
implementations, for example if someone wrote a GNOME Shell extension
to highlight windows of applications that need restarting.

One important downside of needrestart/needrestart-session/systemd is
that it can't automatically restart systemd user services and root
systemctl can't restart user services, even via su/sudo and
needrestart-session doesn't restart them AFAIK. I guess this should be
fixed by needrestart-session doing restarts (or stops for
RefuseManualStart=true) of user services when requested to start via
the dbus call, plus adding a restart/stop button for processes
corresponding to user services.

Another downside of needrestart is that a lot of stuff doesn't support
being restarted sanely, like dbus, display managers, networking stuff,
/etc/rc.local, etc. There is a blacklist for that but it doesn't yet
include rc.local (#852864):

https://sources.debian.net/src/needrestart/2.11-2/ex/needrestart.conf/#L79

-- 
bye,
pabs

https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise

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"Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2017-03-31 22:50 +0200
  Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Niels Thykier <niels@thykier.net> - 2017-04-01 09:20 +0200
  Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Russell Stuart <russell-debian@stuart.id.au> - 2017-04-03 02:30 +0200
    Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-04-03 07:00 +0200
      Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Scott Leggett <scott@sl.id.au> - 2017-04-04 14:10 +0200
      Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Timo Aaltonen <tjaalton@debian.org> - 2017-04-04 15:40 +0200
    Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Brian May <brian@linuxpenguins.xyz> - 2017-04-03 07:40 +0200
      Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Russell Stuart <russell-debian@stuart.id.au> - 2017-04-03 08:10 +0200
    Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-04-04 01:00 +0200
      Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-04-04 02:20 +0200
        Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-04-04 22:50 +0200
          Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-04-05 05:20 +0200
            Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Russell Stuart <russell-debian@stuart.id.au> - 2017-04-05 07:00 +0200
              Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Florian Lohoff <f@zz.de> - 2017-04-05 08:10 +0200
                Laptop reboot and suspend Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2017-04-05 10:30 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2017-04-05 13:40 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Nikolaus Rath <Nikolaus@rath.org> - 2017-04-06 00:20 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2017-04-06 21:10 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Nikolaus Rath <Nikolaus@rath.org> - 2017-04-07 01:10 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> - 2017-04-07 02:00 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2017-04-07 03:00 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2017-04-07 09:20 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Florian Lohoff <f@zz.de> - 2017-04-07 21:10 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Pavlo Solntsev <pavlo.solntsev@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 22:10 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2017-04-08 09:50 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Nikolaus Rath <Nikolaus@rath.org> - 2017-04-09 02:40 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Ritesh Raj Sarraf <rrs@debian.org> - 2017-04-08 12:20 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Vincent Danjean <vdanjean.ml@free.fr> - 2017-04-07 13:30 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Russell Stuart <russell-debian@stuart.id.au> - 2017-04-06 01:30 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Russell Stuart <russell-debian@stuart.id.au> - 2017-04-07 04:30 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-04-13 07:30 +0200
              Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2017-04-05 08:40 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" md@Linux.IT (Marco d'Itri) - 2017-04-05 09:00 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2017-04-05 09:20 +0200
                Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" md@Linux.IT (Marco d'Itri) - 2017-04-05 13:40 +0200
              Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2017-04-05 08:40 +0200
              Attention Russel Stuart Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2017-04-05 14:00 +0200
                Re: Attention Russell Stuart Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2017-04-05 15:30 +0200
  Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?" Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-04-07 03:00 +0200

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