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Re: Anti-Spam

From "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org>
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Subject Re: Anti-Spam
Date 2023-02-27 08:21 +0100
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Am 27.02.23 um 08:17 schrieb Stephan Elinghaus:
> Das "Geschäftsmodell" der Betrüger hätte sich vollständig erledigt.
> Analog dazu romance-scammer und das ganze andere Zeugs.


Endlich! Die FUSSP! Trailblazer! Anti-Spam King!


You Might Be An Anti-Spam Kook If...

Each item in the following list was suggested by the words or actions of 
people who presented themselves to the IETF or elsewhere as having 
discovered the FUSSP. Some of the items may seem obscure to those who 
have not dealt with the IETF.

Almost all of those who have inspired this list mean well. In many 
cases, they are not in the habit of thinking critically and believe that 
"Star Trek" accurately depicts the creation of hardware, software, and 
even social or political mechanisms.

spam-fighter
You have discovered the Final Ultimate Solution to the Spam Problem (FUSSP).
trailblazer
You are the first to think of the FUSSP.
knows-the-competition
You started looking for the FUSSP after observing that it is impossible 
to filter more than 99% of spam with fewer than 0.1% false positives by 
currently available mechanisms.
knows-the-competition-2
Despite being the inventor of the FUSSP, you are unfamiliar with false 
positive, false negative, UBE, tarpit, teergrube, Brightmail, Postini, 
SpamAssassin, DNS blacklist, HELO, RBL, or mail envelope.
entrepreneur
You will make money by licensing the FUSSP.
entrepreneur-2
You will build the FUSSP as soon as you find some investors.
entrepreneur-3
Since most spammer domain names are bought with stolen credit card 
numbers, delay domain name activation for 30 days.
netizen
You don't plan to make a fortune from the FUSSP, but you do expect 
recognition as its generous and public spirited netizen inventor.
dont-get-no-respect
You are hurt and angry because you are not respected as spam fighter.
dont-get-no-respect-2
People don't see the value of the FUSSP because they have axes to grind, 
are jealous, or are too stupid to understand it.
dont-get-no-respect-3
You invented the FUSSP but thieves stole the idea. Never mind that the 
so called thieves talked about your idea in public and used it long 
before you first thought of it.
dont-get-no-respect-8
You have no solutions for the problems in the FUSSP and your 
implementation and deployment plan is tell to Google, but you do know 
that Arthur C. Clarke wrote "When a distinguished but elderly scientist 
states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he 
states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."
spam-fighter-2
You realized how to stop spam during the more than six weeks you've been 
fighting it.
e-postage
The FUSSP assumes that your attention is so important that strangers 
will pay money to send you mail.
knows-SMTP
Despite having invented the FUSSP, you not only don't know the 
difference between the SMTP envelope and SMTP headers. You doubt there 
is such a thing as the SMTP envelope because email doesn't involve paper.
knows-SMTP-2
Despite having invented the FUSSP, your SMTP header and DSN reading 
skills are such that when you send a mail message to two sites and one 
rejects it, you can't tell that only one rejected it, not to mention 
which one.
critical-thinker
You cannot name several potentially fatal flaws in the FUSSP.
senior-IETF-member
All you need to do to get the FUSSP implemented and deployed is to 
publish an RFC or get a law passed.
programmer
You don't recognize any significant difference between deploying and 
implementing the FUSSP.
senior-IETF-member-2
You plan to publish an RFC mandating the FUSSP but have never heard of 
RFC 2223 or RFC 2026.
knows-SMTP-3
Inventing the FUSSP did not require that you know the difference between 
RFC 821 and RFC 822 or that they have been replaced by RFC 2821 and RFC 
2822.
senior-IETF-member-3
You don't know the relevance of consensus or IESG approval to publishing 
RFCs.
senior-IETF-member-4
You think all RFCs have the same standing.
spammers-are-stupid
Spammers won't ignore, subvert, or exploit the FUSSP if you publish it 
as an RFC.
spammers-are-stupid-2
Spammers can't use automation or cheap labor for puzzle solving, 
character recognition, or other hoops that the FUSSP requires of 
legitimate mail senders.
spammers-are-stupid-3
The FUSSP depends on spammers or mail recipients changing their behavior 
without any immediate gain.
senior-IETF-member-5
The FUSSP won't be effective until it has been deployed at more than 60% 
of SMTP servers and that's not a problem.
irresistible-bandwagon
The FUSSP will be the only spam defense used, or at least everyone will 
make special provisions for it.
programmer-2
The FUSSP is easy to implement and deploy, but you have done neither.
senior-IETF-member-6
Your job is done after having explained the FUSSP to the IETF or The 
Industry.
senior-IETF-member-7
Programmers will drop everything to implement the FUSSP.
senior-IETF-member-8
You think that a violation of an RFC by an SMTP client or server is good 
and sufficient reason to reject all mail from the system's domain.
programmer-3
With standards, the implementation cost is about zero, so the FUSSP will 
be practically universally deployed within months of being documented in 
an RFC.
knows-SMTP-4
You know that SMTP has no authentication and have never heard of 
SMTP-AUTH, SMTP-TLS, S/MIME, or PGP.
knows-SMTP-5
You know that the failure of SMTP servers to authenticate the SMTP 
clients of strangers is a major bug in SMTP instead of an expression of 
a primary design goal.
knows-SMTP-6
Despite discovering the FUSSP, you don't know the meanings of MTA, MUA, 
SMTP server, SMTP client, or submission server.
programmer-4
The FUSSP requires a small number of central servers on the Internet to 
handle certificates, act as pull servers for bulk mail, account for mail 
charges, or whatever, and that is good thing or not a problem
programmer-5
The FUSSP uses central servers to manage all mailing list subscriptions 
on the Internet, handle digital signatures for mail, and track spam. 
Your impression that Google has 100% uptime shows that this problem can 
be solved by using a bunch of Linux systems.
programmer-6
The central servers required by the FUSSP to handle all mailing list 
subscriptions, digital signatures for mail and so forth will be run by a 
non-profit organization. It will be easy to find or create a non-profit 
organization that everyone will trust.
programmer-7
The FUSSP requires that anyone wanting to send mail obtain a certificate 
that will be checked by all SMTP servers.
programmer-8
The FUSSP involves certificates, but there is no barrier to spammers 
buying many independent certificates.
programmer-9
You know that certifying that a user legitimately claims a name and has 
never used some other name is cheap and easy.
programmer-10
You feel that most Internet users would be happy to pay $5/month to 
avoid spam and you do not know the price of anti-virus software or data.
programmer-13
The FUSSP involves ISPs issuing certificates to users and the ISPs that 
today don't terminate the accounts of spammers and don't investigate 
prospective customers enough to refuse service to spammers today will 
refuse FUSSP certificates to known spammers and revoke the certificates 
of new spammers.
activist
The FUSSP involves convincing everyone to not buy anything advertised 
with spam.
knows-SMTP-7
You have never heard of RFC 2554 or RFC 2487 and the FUSSP includes 
fixing the lack of authentication in SMTP.
knows-SMTP-8
The FUSSP won't work on mobile clients such as cell phones and PDAs and 
that is not a problem.
programmer-11
The FUSSP involves replacing SMTP.
programmer-12
The FUSSP involves replacing TCP/IP, because you consider TCP/IP 
insecure, and never mind that you do not define "security."
spam-fighter-3
You routinely send single reports of single examples of objectionable 
mail to more than two dozen addressees.
spam-fighter-4
Your definition of spam differs significantly from "unsolicited bulk email."
complicated
The FUSSP cannot be described in fewer than 100,000 words.
dont-get-no-respect-4
The existence of this list is proof that the spam problem will never be 
solved by the people currently working on it.
dont-get-no-respect-5
You frequently use terms from math, statistics, and information theory, 
but have never heard of The Law of Large Numbers and think entropy is 
something about heat.
dont-get-no-respect-6
Nothing in this list applies to your solution to the spam problem except 
some entries that are neither ironic nor silly.
dont-get-no-respect-7
This list was written specifically to insult you.
With apologies to Jeff Foxworthy.




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