Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread

From	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Newsgroups	linux.kernel
Subject	Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread
Date	2017-04-07 14:10 +0200
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Hi!

> On (04/07/17 09:21), Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > spin_dump() and trigger_all_cpu_backtrace() result in a bunch of
> > > additional printk()-s so CPU0 has even more job to do in console_unlock(),
> > > while it still holds the contended spin_lock. and so on; there are
> > > many other examples.
> > > 
> > > so should we declare a "we can spend only 2 seconds in direct printk()
> > > and then must offload printing" rule? I don't think it's much better
> > > than a simpler "we always offload, as long as we think it's safe".
> > 
> > I believe we should do the 2 seconds rule. It allows us to print "some
> > messages delayed" message, so at least whoever is trying to debug the
> > crash will have the hints that he needs to look at the printk system.
> 
> do you mean panic()? in panic() we call console_flush_on_panic(),
> which immediately outputs all pending logbuf messages. printk()
> offloading does not happen there.

Not panic(). I have seen many crashes where we had printk(KERN_ERR)
and then hard hang. And the printk() was really important for debugging.

> > "we always offload, as long as we think it's safe" rule does not
> > really work, as printk() can not detect if it is safe or not.
> 
> but "2 seconds" rule has that "as long as we think it's safe" string
> attached as well. just because we do offloading. which is sometimes
> un-safe. so regardless the timeout value (0 seconds or 2 seconds) we
> still need some sort of a hint from the path that issues printk()
> because that path (panic, kexec, sysrq, etc.) knows for sure when
> things are abnormal. printk() is pretty clueless in this regard.
> /* well, I still think that EMERG loglevel thing is not completely
>  broken. */

Well, at least with my solution you know there are messages that were
not printed.

Yes, you'd still want to switch printk_now() for stuff like
panic(). But if you get it wrong (and you will), at least you will see
the "something is missing here" message in the log. 

								Pavel
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[RFC][PATCHv2 0/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:30 +0200
  [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-04-04 11:10 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 11:40 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-06 19:20 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 07:20 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-07 09:30 +0200
          Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 10:20 +0200
            Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-07 14:10 +0200
  [RFC][PATCHv2 5/8] sysrq: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe places Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:30 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 5/8] sysrq: switch to printk.emergency mode in  unsafe places Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-03-31 17:40 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 5/8] sysrq: switch to printk.emergency mode in  unsafe places Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 02:10 +0200
  [RFC][PATCHv2 1/8] printk: move printk_pending out of per-cpu Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:40 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 1/8] printk: move printk_pending out of per-cpu Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-03-31 15:20 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 1/8] printk: move printk_pending out of per-cpu Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-31 15:40 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 1/8] printk: move printk_pending out of per-cpu Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 13:30 +0200
          Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 1/8] printk: move printk_pending out of per-cpu Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-04-03 14:50 +0200
  [RFC][PATCHv2 6/8] kexec: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe places Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:40 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 6/8] kexec: switch to printk.emergency mode in  unsafe places Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-03-31 17:40 +0200
  [RFC][PATCHv2 8/8] printk: enable printk offloading Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:40 +0200
    Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 04:40 +0200
      Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 06:10 +0200
        Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Ye Xiaolong <xiaolong.ye@intel.com> - 2017-03-31 08:50 +0200
          Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 16:50 +0200
            Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-03-31 17:40 +0200
              Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> - 2017-04-03 11:40 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-04-03 12:10 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-06 19:40 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 06:50 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-07 09:20 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 09:50 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-07 10:20 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 14:20 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-07 14:50 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2017-04-07 16:50 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 17:20 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-04-07 17:30 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 17:50 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-04-09 20:30 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 06:50 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-09 12:20 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 07:00 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-04-10 14:00 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2017-04-07 16:40 +0200
                Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-09 12:00 +0200
              Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 13:00 +0200
          Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Ye Xiaolong <xiaolong.ye@intel.com> - 2017-04-05 09:40 +0200
            Re: [printk]  fbc14616f4:  BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 10:50 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 8/8] printk: enable printk offloading Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-04-03 17:50 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 8/8] printk: enable printk offloading Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 14:30 +0200
  [RFC][PATCHv2 4/8] pm: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe places Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:40 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 4/8] pm: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe  places Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-03-31 17:10 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 4/8] pm: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe  places Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-06 19:30 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 4/8] pm: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe  places Andreas Mohr <andi@lisas.de> - 2017-04-09 13:00 +0200
        Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 4/8] pm: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe  places Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-04-10 14:30 +0200
          Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 4/8] pm: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe  places Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 16:40 +0200
  [RFC][PATCHv2 7/8] printk: add printk emergency_mode parameter Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:40 +0200
    Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 7/8] printk: add printk emergency_mode parameter Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-04-03 17:30 +0200
      Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 7/8] printk: add printk emergency_mode parameter Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 10:30 +0200

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