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| From | Andreas Mohr <andi@lisas.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.kernel |
| Subject | Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 4/8] pm: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe places |
| Date | 2017-04-09 13:00 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <tuiJA-1J6-5@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 07:20:52PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Wed 2017-03-29 18:25:07, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
> > It's not always possible/safe to wake_up() printk kernel
> > thread. For example, late suspend/early resume may printk()
> > while timekeeping is not initialized yet, so calling into the
> > scheduler may result in recursive warnings.
> >
> > Another thing to notice is the fact PM at some point
> > freezes user space and kernel threads: freeze_processes()
> > and freeze_kernel_threads(), correspondingly. Thus we need
> > printk() to operate in old mode there and attempt to
> > immediately flush pending kernel message to the console.
> >
> > This patch adds printk_emergency_begin/on sections.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>
>
> I don't like this. It is symptom of printk getting much more fragile
> now.
Sergey has mentioned it already:
"at some point freezes user space and kernel threads".
Well, this is the action which is *itself* causing thoroughly disrupting consequences,
which I'd think thus ought to be responsible to
ensure *itself* that all resulting consequences actually can be dealt with properly,
rather than having
weird *completely-unrelated-dependency* crap
("there happens to be some functionality called printk, and we need to bend it,
since we need to bend it, since otherwise it would not be bent" - ahem...)
leak into ("layer violation" keyword)
pm handling implementation specifics.
IOW, I would think that for any relevant kthread use in API user code,
such code ought to be able to
register kthread-API-provided callbacks (observer pattern, or whatever)
where the (back to current case:) printk kthread would then be able to
*implicitly*/*invisibly* switch the entire printk operation interface
(e.g. via a global interface struct) to
the "dumb"/"safe" fallback variant.
Potential interface: kthread_notify(callback_func, kthread_notification_type);
That way it could (hopefully) be ensured that
people could use a consistent "printk" *interface* universally regardless of which
"special" conditions happen to be in place at the moment.
(IOW, keep interface behaviour which is required/expected at user code
definitely isolated from
awkward "implementation aspects" necessity which is currently poisoning user code implementation).
Put differently,
handling preferrably ought to get consistently adapted (i.e., switched) *centrally*,
rather than
requiring weird helpers (printk_emergency_X()) at all user code sites.
...or so goes the theory.
(quite possibly such thoughts may hit roadblocks e.g. due to locking/atomicity issues)
HTH,
Andreas Mohr
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[RFC][PATCHv2 0/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:30 +0200
[RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:30 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-04-04 11:10 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 11:40 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-06 19:20 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 07:20 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-07 09:30 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 10:20 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 2/8] printk: introduce printing kernel thread Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-07 14:10 +0200
[RFC][PATCHv2 5/8] sysrq: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe places Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:30 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 5/8] sysrq: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe places Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-03-31 17:40 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 5/8] sysrq: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe places Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-04-01 02:10 +0200
[RFC][PATCHv2 1/8] printk: move printk_pending out of per-cpu Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:40 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 1/8] printk: move printk_pending out of per-cpu Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-03-31 15:20 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 1/8] printk: move printk_pending out of per-cpu Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-03-31 15:40 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 1/8] printk: move printk_pending out of per-cpu Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 13:30 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 1/8] printk: move printk_pending out of per-cpu Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-04-03 14:50 +0200
[RFC][PATCHv2 6/8] kexec: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe places Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:40 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 6/8] kexec: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe places Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-03-31 17:40 +0200
[RFC][PATCHv2 8/8] printk: enable printk offloading Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:40 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 04:40 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 06:10 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Ye Xiaolong <xiaolong.ye@intel.com> - 2017-03-31 08:50 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 16:50 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-03-31 17:40 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> - 2017-04-03 11:40 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-04-03 12:10 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-06 19:40 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 06:50 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-07 09:20 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 09:50 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-07 10:20 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 14:20 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-07 14:50 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2017-04-07 16:50 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 17:20 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-04-07 17:30 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-04-07 17:50 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) - 2017-04-09 20:30 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 06:50 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-09 12:20 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 07:00 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-04-10 14:00 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> - 2017-04-07 16:40 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-09 12:00 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-03 13:00 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Ye Xiaolong <xiaolong.ye@intel.com> - 2017-04-05 09:40 +0200
Re: [printk] fbc14616f4: BUG:kernel_reboot-without-warning_in_test_stage Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 10:50 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 8/8] printk: enable printk offloading Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-04-03 17:50 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 8/8] printk: enable printk offloading Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 14:30 +0200
[RFC][PATCHv2 4/8] pm: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe places Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:40 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 4/8] pm: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe places Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-03-31 17:10 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 4/8] pm: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe places Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> - 2017-04-06 19:30 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 4/8] pm: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe places Andreas Mohr <andi@lisas.de> - 2017-04-09 13:00 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 4/8] pm: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe places Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-04-10 14:30 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 4/8] pm: switch to printk.emergency mode in unsafe places Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-04-10 16:40 +0200
[RFC][PATCHv2 7/8] printk: add printk emergency_mode parameter Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com> - 2017-03-29 11:40 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 7/8] printk: add printk emergency_mode parameter Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> - 2017-04-03 17:30 +0200
Re: [RFC][PATCHv2 7/8] printk: add printk emergency_mode parameter Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com> - 2017-04-04 10:30 +0200
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