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| From | Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> |
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| Newsgroups | ger.ct |
| Subject | Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy |
| Date | 2022-10-07 16:32 +0200 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <thpd4e$3n7m4$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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Am 07.10.2022 um 14:21 schrieb Stefan Froehlich:
> On Fri, 07 Oct 2022 11:46:23 Dr. Joachim Neudert wrote:
>> Am 07.10.22 um 11:21 schrieb Stefan Froehlich:
>>> Ansonsten: Was spricht dagegen, Energie zu sparen?
>>
>> Oh, Du verstehst flasch.
>> Natürlich spare ich gern Energie ein.
>
> So ähnlich, wie Du gerne grün wählen würdest, wenn da nicht die
> Gefahr wäre, dass sie Dir ein winzige Stück Deines Kuchens
> schlechtreden könnten.
Nö. Das eine hat mit dem anderen nicht viel zu tun.
Grün wähle ich nicht, weil mir deren reaktionärer, bürgerlicher
Ökoromantizismus hochgradig suspekt ist. Ich bin viel zu sehr (und auch
zu gerne) Kind meiner Zeit um mich mit bürgerlichem Gedankengut
anzufreunden, welches im späten 19. Jh. entstand und im Grunde nur auf
einer absurden Verklärung des 18. Jh. beruht.
Das ist einer der Gründe warum ich das unentdeckte Land, die Zukunft,
spannend finde.
>> Seit 2018 hat mein Auto [...] mein Rechner [...]
>
> Da liegt ja bereits das Problem. "Sparen auf hohem Niveau" könnte
> man es nennen,
Ei freilich. Will man sparen, muß erst mal was da sein, wo man sparen
kann. Oder umgekehrt: Auch sparen muß man sich erstmal leisten können.
> und im Grund genommen tust Du das doch auch nur, weil
> die neuen Dinge sehr exklusive Spielzeuge sind. Oder?
Natürlich. Was spricht denn gegen Spielzeug?
>> Aber es muß mir nun keiner von den Polit-Pharisäern jetzt
>> erklären, was ich zu tun habe und wie oft ich noch Duschen darf
>> und wie warm es in der Praxis noch sein darf.
>
> ...die kennen Dich halt nicht und wissen nicht, dass Du eh schon bei
> unterdurchschnittlichen, frostigen 18,5 Grad haust, zudem ist es
> auch schwierig, für jeden Bürger eine eigene Ansprache zu verfassen.
Wenn man das schon weiß, warum hält man dann nicht einfach die Klappe?
> Du wirst also notgedrungen damit leben müssen, die gleichen
> Botschaften zu empfangen wie alle anderen, die nicht die gleiche,
> vorauseilende Leidensbereitschaft aufweisen.
Und Du meinst, denen geht man damit nicht auf den Keks?
>> Schau, unser (D) Wirtschaftsmodell baut darauf Autos herzustellen,
>> [...]
>
> Das ist eines der Probleme, ja, und je früher man beginnt, daran
> etwas zu ändern, desto weniger werden sie eskalieren.
Was glaubst Du, wie schnell sämtliche grünen Träume verfliegen, wenn es
in D keine leistungsfähige Wertschöpfungskette mehr gibt?
--
"Das Problem ist nicht, dass eine relativ kleine Gruppe von Verrückten
behauptet, dass zwei plus zwei fünf ergibt, dass es zwölf verschiedene
Geschlechter gibt oder dass man bei der Energieversorgung die Gesetze
der Thermodynamik ignorieren kann. Das Problem ist, daß sich die große
Gruppe der Normalos künstlich dumm stellt und den selben Quatsch
behauptet, weil sie von den Verrückten nicht als verrückt bezeichnet
werden wollen."
--Vince Ebert
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Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-08 10:27 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-08 11:07 +0200
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Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-08 12:11 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 13:29 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 13:27 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-08 11:46 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Georg Gruber <g.gruber_hauwech@gmx.net> - 2022-10-08 14:56 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-08 19:16 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Georg Gruber <g.gruber_hauwech@gmx.net> - 2022-10-09 11:43 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-09 19:11 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 10:19 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2022-10-13 03:38 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 10:58 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2022-10-13 05:11 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 13:34 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-13 17:03 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 15:57 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-13 18:23 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-14 06:47 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-13 23:35 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2022-10-14 05:06 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-13 19:50 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-14 08:38 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-14 08:47 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-14 09:16 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-14 09:33 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-14 14:22 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-13 17:18 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 15:53 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-13 18:49 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-14 07:12 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-14 14:22 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-13 19:50 +0200
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-08 13:47 +0000
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 16:22 +0200
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-08 14:53 +0000
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 17:12 +0200
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dr. Joachim Neudert <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-08 15:27 +0000
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-08 08:46 -0700
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-08 18:39 +0000
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 22:58 +0200
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-09 19:00 +0000
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-09 01:28 -0700
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-08 08:19 -0700
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 18:02 +0200
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Herwig <herwig.huener@t-online.de> - 2022-10-08 15:35 -0700
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-09 00:59 +0200
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-09 01:05 +0200
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Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-09 08:23 +0200
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-09 11:14 +0200
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-09 12:02 +0200
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-09 16:52 +0200
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Herwig <herwig.huener@t-online.de> - 2022-10-08 15:30 -0700
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Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-09 19:11 +0200
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Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Ruediger Lahl <ruediger.lahl@gmx.de> - 2022-10-09 00:46 +0200
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-09 07:37 +0000
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-09 19:11 +0200
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2022-10-09 19:59 +0200
Re: Britons will not be told to use less energy Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2022-10-09 20:24 +0200
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Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-08 11:13 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-08 02:24 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-08 11:57 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-08 12:05 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-08 12:10 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-08 10:20 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-08 11:31 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-08 12:01 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 07:19 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 10:05 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-13 03:09 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-13 10:26 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-07 16:32 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2022-10-07 21:49 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-07 12:39 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 03:42 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-10-07 14:15 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 05:27 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-10-03 14:40 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 23:32 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 13:23 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-10-08 21:25 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-09 07:40 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-09 23:30 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-10 06:38 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-10 05:21 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Siegfried Blos <usenet@siegfried-blos.de> - 2022-11-07 22:30 +0100
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-10-10 11:03 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Matthias Eißing <meissing@gmx.de> - 2022-10-07 13:31 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-07 14:06 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 05:11 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2022-10-07 21:39 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 23:34 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-08 19:19 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-08 21:32 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2022-10-08 21:41 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-08 22:00 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 22:42 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Martin Gerdes <martin.gerdes@gmx.de> - 2022-10-09 19:11 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Michael Bode <m.g.bode@web.de> - 2022-10-09 19:44 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Peter Veith <veith@snafu.de> - 2022-10-10 00:58 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-08 20:44 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-09 08:41 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-10 06:43 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-10 08:52 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-10 09:12 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-10 09:28 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Dietz Proepper <dietz-usenet@rotfl.franken.de> - 2022-10-10 09:42 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy "Dr. Joachim Neudert" <neudert@5sl.org> - 2022-10-10 09:54 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-10 00:40 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Lars Gebauer <lgebauer@live.de> - 2022-10-10 10:03 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Hans <Hans@enosta.at> - 2022-10-08 22:36 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-08 20:50 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-09 02:14 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Stefan+Usenet@Froehlich.Priv.at (Stefan Froehlich) - 2022-10-09 14:23 +0000
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Herwig <herwig.huener@t-online.de> - 2022-10-08 15:41 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 03:29 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-10-07 14:20 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 05:30 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-10-03 14:43 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-07 23:30 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Frank Hucklenbroich <hucklenbroich@gmx.net> - 2022-10-08 21:20 +0200
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Ulf Kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> - 2022-10-09 23:38 -0700
Re: ‘Not a nanny state’: Minister says Britons will not be told to use less energy Goetz Schultz <news.expire1225@goetz.co.uk> - 2022-10-07 13:05 +0100
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