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Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too?

From	Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.comp.microsoft.windows
Subject	Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too?
Date	2022-08-16 18:57 +0000
Organization	NOYB
Message-ID	<tdh0ao.2as.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> (permalink)
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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On 8/15/2022 11:07 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> > [...]
> > 
> >> Getting past the MSA is largely an install time thing.
> >> After that, nobody gives a fuck.
> > 
> >    Well, actually *Microsoft* gives a fuck, because after a recent
> > Windows 11 update, I *again* got an install-like UI (which enticed you
> > to subscribe to all kinds of services, which I of course declined) which
> > required an MSA to continue. The (full-screen) UI could not be exited
> > and I did not want to force a shutdown. In the end I chose a
> > 'Back'function and *there* it presented the option to continue with a
> > local account.
> > 
> >    Bottom line: Again more of the familiar Microsoft tricks to say/imply
> > that an MSA is mandatory and again hidden tricks to evade that
> > requirement.
> > 
> >    FWIW, new (July 27) laptop with Windows 11 Home. 'winver' says:
> > 
> > Version 21H2 (OS Build 22000.856)
> > 
> > (Let me know if you need more version info (and how to get it) for your
> > Secret Decoder Ring.)
> 
> control-alt-delete  then TaskManager
> 
> Run menu : "cmd" to run a command prompt window
> 
>     tasklist /svc
> 
> Survey the scene and pick the most likely culprit.
> It may be easier to read the cmd window than watch the
> process list in Task manager.

  Yeah, I probably should have done something like that in order to try
to catch and identify the culprit, but the install-like UI caught me by
surprise [1] and I thought that they were doing an install all over
again, causing me to lose all my copying-of-files/(re)installing-of-
software/(re-)configuring-of-software/etc. that I had been doing the
last few weeks, so my priority was getting out and saving my stuff, not
trying to catch the culprit.

[1] Imagine innocent Joe User who is put into this mess by Microsoft,
when he just wants to get on with his - rudely interrupted - work!

> The "extra services" dialog appears on other machines like
> that too, but there is a button "try again in three days time"
> or the like, so you can be annoyed by it then.

  For the install-like UI I got (your term SCOOBE: Second chance out of
box experience), there was no "try again in three days time" button.

> And you *can* turn the machine power off. The journal
> on C: is amazing :-)

  Yeah, I'm not worried about the journal, I'm worried about
Microsoft knowing 'better' and wiping stuff, doing an install, etc..
After all, this is Windows 11, not Real Windows (TM)! :-(

> *******
> 
> Alternately, shift-F10 is mentioned as a way to open a Command Prompt.
> 
> https://www.ghacks.net/2022/05/13/how-to-bypass-the-microsoft-account-requirement-during-windows-setup/

  Yeah, that one is in my notes as well. Small problem is that I can't
get to those notes when this happened/happens. Catch-22! So next time,
I'll have to borrow SWMBO's machine to get to (the backup of) my notes!

[...]

[Likely culprit covered in your other response.]

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