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Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too?

From	Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.comp.microsoft.windows
Subject	Re: If Apple can permanently lock your hardware for not logging into it - why can't Microsoft do it too?
Date	2022-08-14 18:26 +0100
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Paul wrote:

> Getting past the MSA is largely an install time thing.

Paul,

The goal of this thread is to answer a question which had _never_ been
asked before in the entire history of Windows Usenet newsgroups (AFAIK).

The _only_ reason this thread "gives a fuck" :) about the MSA in Windows 11
is that if it exists, _then_ Microsoft has the "ability" to do what "other
companies" do - which is disable a _lot_ of the functionality of the device
if you do not periodically log into that MSA account on Microsoft servers.

From what you, Rick, and Zaghadka wrote, we can safely assume the vast
majority of people will likely be forced to create a MSA account on
Micrsosoft Servers for Windows 11.

That's the last we need to talk about the MSA because this thread is not
about the need for the MSA other than to establish that it exist in Windows
11.

> After that, nobody gives a fuck. 

This is critical because we have established the MSA is "required" (for
most valus of "required" that is). So enough talk about the MSA please.

Once you're forced to log into a periodic mothership tracking account... 

We already know "other companies" can and do disable a vast amount of the
functionality of the device if you (purposefully perhaps, as I did) refuse
to periodically log into their mothership tracking servers.

We _know_ this is a fact that they can do it - and that they do do it.
The question here is whether Microsoft can do the same?

Remember, Windows is _different_ than (that other operating system).
In that "other operating system", almost everything is controlled by the
mothership company. 

But Windows is different.

Can Microsoft disable most of functionality like that "other company" does?

Will they?

> Would the Windows Store
> depend on an MSA ? Maybe.

Again, this isn't about the MSA once we've established that almost everyone
will be "forced" (for some values of force) to periodically log into a
Windows 11 mothership tracking account... 

But... to that point of the Microsoft Store... 

I do NOT have a Microsoft Account on Windows 10 and I can NOT download many
apps from the Microsoft Store... but... I don't care... because... 

Because... 

Because... Microsoft isn't like that "other company" where you must
download everything from the mothership store... 

So Windows is different (in that way)... 
You don't _need_ the mothership store for Windows... 

> But then you don't absolutely
> need the Windows Store to play win32 Tetris.

In summary, we've established two facts that we do NOT need to hash further
1. Windows 11 requires periodic login into a mothership tracking account
2. Other companies who require the same can and do "destroy" your device

To my knowledge, in decades of being on Windows Usenet newsgroups, this
particular question has NEVER been asked - simply because an MSA wasn't
required until now... 

Hence... 

The ONLY question here is the same now as when this thread started:
Q: *Can/will Microsoft unilaterally destroy functionality on Windows 11*
   *if you (purposefully perhaps) do NOT periodically log into MS servers?*

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