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Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto)

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On 2026-09-17 18:06, Maria Sophia wrote:
> Andy Burns wrote:
>> But Apple are unlikely to use Google's protocol and vice-versa, look how
>> long it took to get them to recognise the presence of each other's trackers.
>>
>>> All it would need is a suitably similar car-focused generic middle layer
>>> similar to those which already exist, to simply mirror the phone on a dash.
>>>
>>> I've never used (nor even seen) CarPlay/AndroidAuto in action.
>>> Is that what they do? Mirror the device? Like I do with my PC?
>>
>> No, what is on the car's screen isn't a "scrape" of what's on the
>> phone's screen, it's like having a PC with dual monitors where the
>> "remote" one using the car's screen is drawn separately, using a simpler
>> GUI that's better suited to the task.  There's no connection between
>> which app is displayed on the phone's screen vs the car's screen.
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
> Thanks for sticking with me on this 'cuz I have never even seen any of
> these things in operation, since I no longer rent cars nor travel much.
> 
> Unlike most Usenet posters who invest a few seconds of their energy into
> responding to people, when I responded to you I looked up a lot, and when I
> subsequently responded to Carlos, I looked up a lot more, so now I "think"
> I am just scraping the surface in understanding a solution to the problem.
> 
> Having only older cars (which I can maintain myself even down to replacing
> clutches, timing belts and mounting and balancing the tires at home), I had
> literally almost less-than-zero technical knowledge of carplay/androidaudio
> until now (I still have none, but now I get what it does, I think).
> 
> First off, it turns out that we *can* just mirror the phone, on a
> vehicle-by-vehicle basis, with vehicle-specific mirroring hardware.
>   <https://www.beatsonicusa.com/blogs/articles/carplay-vs-smartphone-mirroring-which-do-you-need-beat-sonic>
> 
> Of course, no vehicle OEM is going to give you that out of the factory,
> so they give us these more rigid built-in systems, useful for rental cars.
> 

Mirroring is considered not safe (for driving).

> While there's also libimobiledevice & remoteXPC for iOS and adb for
> Android, CarPlay and Android Auto seem to be remote application/UI
> projection frameworks, while the BeatSonic smartphone mirroring is
> essentially a video/framebuffer transport of the phone's display.
> 
> They're all different.
> 
> For example, as you astutely noted, with CarPlay/Android Auto, the phone
> isn't simply sending a picture of its screen to the car. The phone and the
> car are participating in a well-controlled well-defined interface and
> projection system, with the car providing the display and controls and the
> phone providing some of the displayed applications and their data.

and cpu.

> 
> The shortest distinction between them might be this distinction I found:
>     CarPlay and Android Auto are remote rendering/application
>     projection frameworks, whereas Smartphone Mirroring is a raw
>     framebuffer copy/video stream transport.
> 
> And then there's Android Automotive, which, unlike any of the above, is not
> a projection system but an operating system for the car's dash computer.
> 
> To make matters more jumbled up, at least in this initial stage where I'm
> bringing my knowledge up from less-than-zero, the Android Automotive
> Android-based embedded operating system for the vehicle can do AndroidAuto.


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-13 20:30 -0700
  Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Nick <nick@koohii.invalid> - 2026-09-14 05:52 +0200
    Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-14 17:12 +1200
      Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) blacky <bhju88@gmail.com> - 2026-09-14 15:44 +1000
        Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Jim the Geordie <jim@geordieland.co.uk> - 2026-09-14 12:20 +0100
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  Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-14 07:12 +0000
    Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 12:33 +0100
      Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-14 07:56 -0800
      Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-14 20:29 +0000
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        Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-14 22:23 +0100
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            Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-09-16 09:12 +1200
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                Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-16 16:55 +0000
                Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-16 18:26 +0100
                Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-16 19:02 +0000
                Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-17 11:34 +0100
                Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-17 18:06 +0200
                Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 18:33 +0200
                Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-17 20:24 +0300
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                Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-17 23:02 +0300
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                Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-21 13:03 +0300
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                Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2026-09-17 20:07 +0000
                Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-18 00:36 +0300
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                Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-16 20:46 +0200
                Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Maria Sophia <mariasophia@comprehension.com> - 2026-09-16 19:58 +0000
                Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-17 08:31 +0200
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    Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-09-15 08:47 +0100
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        Re: Car manufacturers are ditching CarPlay in 2026 (and Android Auto) "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-09-15 13:54 +0200
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