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Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

From Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?
Date 2017-05-16 13:20 +0200
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On 05/15/2017 02:06 PM, deloptes wrote:
> Richard Owlett wrote:
>
>> On 05/14/2017 06:46 AM, David Wright wrote:
>>> On Sun 14 May 2017 at 04:57:07 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>> On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400
>>>>> RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>>>>> I have a partition whose label is "common".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could almost smack myself in the head. I had done that when I used
>>>>>> to dual-boot Windows / Linux (now you can see why I'm not a fan of
>>>>>> dual-boot, I guess! LOL!). I also used to dual boot SolydX and SolydK
>>>>>> distributions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my VMs, I do use the guest additions and have a shared directory
>>>>>> (necessity for what I need to do as well).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But that was one way I had shared data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, I still balk at dual-booting (like you balk at VMs :) )
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Another option I've used for some years: a pocket-sized USB hard drive
>>>>> with an i386 all-modules installation, which boots on practically
>>>>> anything that isn't an ARM.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you clarify what you mean by the phrase "i386 all-modules
>>>> installation"?
>>>
>>> Recall this d-i screen?
>>
>> I do now ;)
>> Actually initrd and initramfs and were on my "google today" list.
>> That may that may explain something I've recently noticed.
>> As I experiment with many Debian versions and configurations I routinely
>> can multi-boot among a a half dozen (or more) choices.
>>
>> As I've had some spectacularly failed installs, my practice is to
>> install Grub *ONLY* with the *FIRST* install. That way the default
>> action is to boot a known good system and the questionable one will
>> generally be last on the list (Grub insists on listing /dev/sda10 before
>> /dev/sda2).
>>
>> What I'm investigating is an apparent anomaly:
>>    1. My primary machine had Jessie installed first with Squeeze
>>       and Stretch later. It happily will boot all.
>>    2. I've set up a designated EXPERIMENTAL machine. Squeeze was
>>       installed first and thus Grub is associated with it.
>>       Wheezy and Jessie were installed without Grub.
>>       Squeeze runs fine and will browse the web.
>>       However, update-grub does not recognize either Wheezy or Jessie.
>>       Also, a netinst of Stretch failed at the network setup step -
>>       haven't done any trouble shooting yet.
>>
>> Two questions:
>>    1. Can I retroactively choose "include all available drivers" and
>>       if so, how?
>>    2. How much free space would be required? As I was already planning
>>       on some Grub experiments, I had left 10 MB un-partitioned before
>>       /dev/sda1. That can easily be expanded.
>>
>> TIA
>
> If you like hacking the initrd

Not one of my life goals <chuckle>

>
> mkdir test && cd test && zcat /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` | cpio -Hnewc -i
>

I may not be "prophet or son of a prophet", but I see a "lab practical" 
on parsing in my future.

> ...
>
> find . ! -name *~ | cpio -H newc --create | gzip -9
>> /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r`
>
> I foundthisvery useful over the years, especially for testing things
> out 10MB would be enough for 1 kernel+initrd & co

While I was tweaking my "EXPERIMENTAL machine" partitioning for 
unrelated reasons, left the first GB unallocated.

>
> I wouldn't use dedicated boot partition in your case. For testing
> you can leave all on one partition. If you use dedicated boot
> partition and want to share it among different installs - watch out
> to not format it ... and you  must keep all your kernels+initrd there.
>

I'm unclear as to "dedicated boot partition" above.
My typical install procedure results in a directory structure as below:
richard@stretch-2nd:/$ dir
bin   etc	  initrd.img.old  media  proc  sbin  tmp  vmlinuz
boot  home	  lib		  mnt	 root  srv   usr  vmlinuz.old
dev   initrd.img  lost+found	  opt	 run   sys   var

Are you referring to the "boot" in that list?
I've may have been a computer *user* for a half-century.
But I have little formal background ;}

> regards
>
>
>

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