Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?

From	Thanatos Incarnate <thanatosincarnate@openmailbox.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: How stable is the frozen stretch?
Date	2017-05-16 13:30 +0200
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Hello there,


My 2 cents: If you're used to Debian Stable level stability, then 
Testing might get on your nerves with its tiny little paper cuts 
(Firefox crashing, Thunderbird not knowing what to do with your Icedove 
profile, KDE having GUI elements that follow your set theme, but then 
also others that don't, KDE PIM being crashy as ever,...). Of course, 
the less complicated your system, the fewer bugs you'll have. So, while 
Openbox, a panel and a terminal won't drive your crazy even on Sid, KDE 
or Gnome might.


Regards,

Thane.


On 16.05.2017 13:17, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 05/15/2017 02:06 PM, deloptes wrote:
>> Richard Owlett wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/14/2017 06:46 AM, David Wright wrote:
>>>> On Sun 14 May 2017 at 04:57:07 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>>> On 05/14/2017 02:40 AM, Joe wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 13 May 2017 20:54:04 -0400
>>>>>> RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 05/13/2017 12:40 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have a partition whose label is "common".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I could almost smack myself in the head. I had done that when I 
>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>> to dual-boot Windows / Linux (now you can see why I'm not a fan of
>>>>>>> dual-boot, I guess! LOL!). I also used to dual boot SolydX and 
>>>>>>> SolydK
>>>>>>> distributions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my VMs, I do use the guest additions and have a shared directory
>>>>>>> (necessity for what I need to do as well).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But that was one way I had shared data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I still balk at dual-booting (like you balk at VMs :) )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another option I've used for some years: a pocket-sized USB hard 
>>>>>> drive
>>>>>> with an i386 all-modules installation, which boots on practically
>>>>>> anything that isn't an ARM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you clarify what you mean by the phrase "i386 all-modules
>>>>> installation"?
>>>>
>>>> Recall this d-i screen?
>>>
>>> I do now ;)
>>> Actually initrd and initramfs and were on my "google today" list.
>>> That may that may explain something I've recently noticed.
>>> As I experiment with many Debian versions and configurations I 
>>> routinely
>>> can multi-boot among a a half dozen (or more) choices.
>>>
>>> As I've had some spectacularly failed installs, my practice is to
>>> install Grub *ONLY* with the *FIRST* install. That way the default
>>> action is to boot a known good system and the questionable one will
>>> generally be last on the list (Grub insists on listing /dev/sda10 
>>> before
>>> /dev/sda2).
>>>
>>> What I'm investigating is an apparent anomaly:
>>>    1. My primary machine had Jessie installed first with Squeeze
>>>       and Stretch later. It happily will boot all.
>>>    2. I've set up a designated EXPERIMENTAL machine. Squeeze was
>>>       installed first and thus Grub is associated with it.
>>>       Wheezy and Jessie were installed without Grub.
>>>       Squeeze runs fine and will browse the web.
>>>       However, update-grub does not recognize either Wheezy or Jessie.
>>>       Also, a netinst of Stretch failed at the network setup step -
>>>       haven't done any trouble shooting yet.
>>>
>>> Two questions:
>>>    1. Can I retroactively choose "include all available drivers" and
>>>       if so, how?
>>>    2. How much free space would be required? As I was already planning
>>>       on some Grub experiments, I had left 10 MB un-partitioned before
>>>       /dev/sda1. That can easily be expanded.
>>>
>>> TIA
>>
>> If you like hacking the initrd
>
> Not one of my life goals <chuckle>
>
>>
>> mkdir test && cd test && zcat /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` | cpio 
>> -Hnewc -i
>>
>
> I may not be "prophet or son of a prophet", but I see a "lab 
> practical" on parsing in my future.
>
>> ...
>>
>> find . ! -name *~ | cpio -H newc --create | gzip -9
>>> /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r`
>>
>> I foundthisvery useful over the years, especially for testing things
>> out 10MB would be enough for 1 kernel+initrd & co
>
> While I was tweaking my "EXPERIMENTAL machine" partitioning for 
> unrelated reasons, left the first GB unallocated.
>
>>
>> I wouldn't use dedicated boot partition in your case. For testing
>> you can leave all on one partition. If you use dedicated boot
>> partition and want to share it among different installs - watch out
>> to not format it ... and you  must keep all your kernels+initrd there.
>>
>
> I'm unclear as to "dedicated boot partition" above.
> My typical install procedure results in a directory structure as below:
> richard@stretch-2nd:/$ dir
> bin   etc      initrd.img.old  media  proc  sbin  tmp  vmlinuz
> boot  home      lib          mnt     root  srv   usr  vmlinuz.old
> dev   initrd.img  lost+found      opt     run   sys   var
>
> Are you referring to the "boot" in that list?
> I've may have been a computer *user* for a half-century.
> But I have little formal background ;}
>
>> regards
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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How stable is the frozen stretch? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-07 00:00 +0200
  Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-05-07 00:40 +0200
    Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-07 01:10 +0200
  Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 00:50 +0200
    Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-07 01:50 +0200
      Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 02:20 +0200
        Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-07 04:30 +0200
          Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-07 05:50 +0200
      Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-08 14:50 +0200
    Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 00:40 +0200
  Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-07 23:30 +0200
    Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 01:50 +0200
      Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-05-08 13:20 +0200
        Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-05-08 15:50 +0200
          Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2017-05-08 17:10 +0200
            Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-05-08 21:20 +0200
      Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-05-08 13:30 +0200
      Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-09 18:10 +0200
        Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-05-10 15:10 +0200
          Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Michael Milliman <michael.e.milliman@gmail.com> - 2017-05-10 15:20 +0200
            Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-13 14:20 +0200
          Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-13 14:20 +0200
            Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2017-05-13 18:10 +0200
            Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-05-13 18:50 +0200
              Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-14 03:00 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-05-14 09:50 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-05-14 12:00 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 13:50 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-05-14 16:00 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2017-05-14 16:20 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-05-15 21:10 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-05-16 13:20 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Thanatos Incarnate <thanatosincarnate@openmailbox.org> - 2017-05-16 13:30 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-05-16 16:00 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? SDA <marathon.durandal@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 05:10 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 05:30 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-05-17 12:30 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-17 15:30 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-05-16 20:20 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-05-17 00:30 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 08:10 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-17 14:30 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-17 15:20 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? G <gpdsb@mailbox.org> - 2017-05-17 17:00 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2017-05-17 17:10 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-05-17 18:10 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Lisi Reisz <lisi.reisz@gmail.com> - 2017-05-17 18:50 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? RavenLX <ravenlx@sitesplace.net> - 2017-05-17 15:20 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk> - 2017-05-16 13:30 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-05-16 16:00 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2017-05-16 18:40 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2017-05-17 00:10 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2017-05-14 14:10 +0200
                Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2017-05-14 16:00 +0200
        Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Fungi4All <fungilife@protonmail.com> - 2017-05-11 00:20 +0200
        Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 08:00 +0200
  Re: How stable is the frozen stretch? Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2017-05-08 17:40 +0200

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