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Re: 64 to 32 bit

From Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: 64 to 32 bit
Date 2018-06-02 01:31 +0000
Organization Miskatonic U
Message-ID <slrnph3sr8.i45.g.kreme@jaka.lan> (permalink)
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In message <gTeQC.213030$go7.185915@fx08.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2018-06-01 11:50, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>> My god, people... Please stop with the FUD. 

> This is not "FUD" as you call it.

It moist certainly is.

> Apple says performance will degrade.
> We argue it won't degrade, it will just not be improved.

>> optimizations benefit from this memory efficiency. When 32-bit apps are
>> thrown into the mix, performance of the entire system is adversely
>> affected. 

> Horseradish. Running one app in 32 bit mode  does not affect the next
> door app that is running in 64 bits. 

And here we see another example of the rampant ignorance of some people.

Yes it does. The 32 bit app hs to load a bunch of 32 bit APIs into
memory, taking up space that would otherwise be available for more 64
but apps.

That loading also takes resources just in the act of loading.

> The CPU's bitness is changed along
> with many other things during context changes between processes.

This statement is nonsense.

> Does this mean that more code is loaded into memory (1 copy for 64 bits,
> 1 for 32), yes. But in today's systems, it isn't a big thing.

Says you, based on literally *ZERO* knowledge of what you are talking
about.

Launching 32 bit apps on iOS 10 was noticeably slower, and it could,
depending on the size of the app, cause backgrounded processes to
terminate instead of remaining suspended.

-- 
They all have husbands and wives and children and houses and dogs, and
you know, they've all made themselves a part of something and they can
talk about what they do. What am I gonna say? "I killed the president of
Paraguay with a fork. How've you been?"

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64 to 32 bit Gerry <address@domain.com> - 2018-05-31 15:12 -0700
  Re: 64 to 32 bit nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-31 18:37 -0400
    Re: 64 to 32 bit gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-05-31 21:27 -0700
    Re: 64 to 32 bit JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-01 01:50 -0400
      Re: 64 to 32 bit nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 02:04 -0400
      Re: 64 to 32 bit Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-01 18:20 +1200
  Re: 64 to 32 bit Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-01 13:52 +1200
    Re: 64 to 32 bit JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-05-31 22:41 -0400
      Re: 64 to 32 bit Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-01 14:50 +0000
        Re: 64 to 32 bit Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-02 01:22 +0000
      Re: 64 to 32 bit "Snit's dysautonomia http://bit.ly/2Jqpplk" <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-02 23:28 -0700
    Re: 64 to 32 bit nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 01:29 -0400
      Re: 64 to 32 bit JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-01 01:41 -0400
        Re: 64 to 32 bit nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 02:04 -0400
    Re: 64 to 32 bit Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2018-06-01 08:36 +0100
      Re: 64 to 32 bit Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2018-06-01 11:10 -0400
        Re: 64 to 32 bit nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 11:21 -0400
        Re: 64 to 32 bit JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-01 12:49 -0400
          Re: 64 to 32 bit nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 12:51 -0400
      Re: 64 to 32 bit Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-01 15:50 +0000
        Re: 64 to 32 bit JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-01 12:54 -0400
          Re: 64 to 32 bit nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 13:08 -0400
          Re: 64 to 32 bit Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-02 01:31 +0000
          Re: 64 to 32 bit Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-02 15:31 +0000
            Re: 64 to 32 bit JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-02 14:40 -0400
              Re: 64 to 32 bit nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 14:42 -0400
              Re: 64 to 32 bit Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2018-06-02 22:36 -0400
              Re: 64 to 32 bit Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 09:24 +0000
          Re: 64 to 32 bit Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-02 15:39 +0000
            Re: 64 to 32 bit JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-02 14:44 -0400
              Re: 64 to 32 bit nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 14:49 -0400
                Re: 64 to 32 bit JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-02 15:00 -0400
                Re: 64 to 32 bit nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 15:12 -0400
                Re: 64 to 32 bit Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-02 21:44 +0000
                Re: 64 to 32 bit "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2018-06-04 18:41 +0000
                Re: 64 to 32 bit Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-04 12:14 -0700
                Re: 64 to 32 bit Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-04 19:21 +0000
                Re: 64 to 32 bit gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-04 14:39 -0700
              Re: 64 to 32 bit Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2018-06-02 19:56 +0100
                Re: 64 to 32 bit JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-02 15:04 -0400
                Re: 64 to 32 bit Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2018-06-04 18:54 -0400
              Re: 64 to 32 bit Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-02 21:43 +0000
              Re: 64 to 32 bit Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 09:29 +0000
        Re: 64 to 32 bit Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2018-06-01 15:09 -0400
          Re: 64 to 32 bit Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-02 15:46 +0000
            Re: 64 to 32 bit nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 12:00 -0400
              Re: 64 to 32 bit Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-02 16:58 +0000
                Re: 64 to 32 bit JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-02 14:50 -0400
                Re: 64 to 32 bit nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 14:54 -0400
                Re: 64 to 32 bit JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-02 15:01 -0400
                Re: 64 to 32 bit nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 15:12 -0400
                Re: 64 to 32 bit JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-02 17:56 -0400
                Re: 64 to 32 bit nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 18:08 -0400
                Re: 64 to 32 bit Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-03 03:55 +0000
                Re: 64 to 32 bit "Snit's dysautonomia http://bit.ly/2Jqpplk" <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 07:48 -0700
                Re: 64 to 32 bit "Snit's dysautonomia http://bit.ly/2Jqpplk" <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-06-03 11:28 -0700
                Re: 64 to 32 bit Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-03 03:54 +0000
                Re: 64 to 32 bit Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 09:43 +0000
                Re: 64 to 32 bit Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-02 21:37 +0000
                Re: 64 to 32 bit Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-03 12:07 +1200
                Re: 64 to 32 bit Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 09:42 +0000
            Re: 64 to 32 bit JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-02 14:47 -0400
              Re: 64 to 32 bit nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 14:49 -0400
              Re: 64 to 32 bit Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-02 21:40 +0000
              Re: 64 to 32 bit Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 09:45 +0000
            Re: 64 to 32 bit Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2018-06-02 22:35 -0400
              Re: 64 to 32 bit Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-03 15:09 +1200
              Re: 64 to 32 bit Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 09:47 +0000

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