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Re: StageFright: QuickFix

From "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net>
Newsgroups de.alt.comm.android, de.comp.security.misc
Subject Re: StageFright: QuickFix
Followup-To de.alt.comm.android
Date 2015-08-07 09:55 +0000
Organization Touched By The Hand Of God
Message-ID <slrnms904l.g1q.amk@msgid.krell.zikzak.de> (permalink)
References (4 earlier) <55C3B150.6050200@alexander-goetzenstein.my-fqdn.de> <55C3B8FB.2090804@jtewes.my-fqdn.de> <55C3D906.5080005@alexander-goetzenstein.my-fqdn.de> <d2i6bbFs5olU1@mid.individual.net> <55C46442.6050400@alexander-goetzenstein.my-fqdn.de>

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Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> wrote:

> Bis jetzt sind das aber nur Ankündigungen für einige wenige Modelle ohne 
> eine Nennung eines grundsätzlichen Verfahrens. Ich freue mich, wenn das 
> tatsächlich der Anfang zu einer grundlegenden Lösung sein sollte, aber 
> aus Erfahrung glaube ich nur das, was ich sehe. Hoffen wir das Beste...

Ein weiteres zu lösendes Problem sind Vertragshandys mit Branding
vom Provider. Keineswegs nur in Deutschland verbreitet. Die Provider
müssen freilich auch ein Einsehen haben, denn manche Provider
verweigern sich Updates völlig, andere brauchen viele Monate.

Handys sind auf erstaunlich vielen Ebenen vermurkst. Eigentlich
muss man sich wünschen, dass in wenigen Tagen eine Milliarde
Android-Smartphones nur noch Schrott sind. Dann wird die Frage
im Raum stehen, wen man auf Schadenersatz verklagen kann.

Ich befürchte nur, dass in der Praxis wieder mal alles nur halb so
schlimm ist, so wie bei früheren Sichereitslücken auch. Überhaupt
scheinen Handys weiterhin kein so attraktives Ziel zu sein wie
richtige PCs (Desktop + Notebook).

	Grüße, Andreas

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StageFright: QuickFix Peter Mairhofer <63832452@gmx.net> - 2015-07-28 00:37 +0200
  Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-07-28 03:04 +0200
    Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-07-28 08:44 +0200
      Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-06 20:32 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-06 21:11 +0200
          Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-06 21:43 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-07 00:00 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Gert Link <gertlink_nospam@gmx.de> - 2015-08-07 00:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-07 09:54 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-07 09:55 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-07 12:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-07 13:34 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Stefan Kanthak" <postmaster@127.in-addr.arpa> - 2015-08-07 15:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-07 20:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-07 16:49 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-07 23:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-08 18:02 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-09 01:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-10 01:52 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-10 10:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 12:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 18:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 18:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 20:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 21:37 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 00:15 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-10 14:02 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 18:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-10 19:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 20:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-10 21:39 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 22:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 17:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-12 23:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-13 04:33 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 12:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 13:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 19:14 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-18 09:19 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-18 17:37 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-18 21:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 03:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 10:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 11:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 12:09 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 13:12 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 18:18 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 16:08 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:35 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 19:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-20 00:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-20 13:35 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 16:07 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-20 18:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 08:07 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-13 15:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-14 16:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 08:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 12:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 13:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 15:40 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 16:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 16:35 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 10:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-13 21:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-14 16:37 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-18 22:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 22:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-20 18:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 08:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-21 18:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 02:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-22 06:46 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 07:37 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 16:48 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-22 09:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 12:39 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 16:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:32 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 15:07 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 17:07 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-22 20:54 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-23 16:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:33 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-23 16:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-24 20:57 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-24 23:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-25 02:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-25 12:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 10:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-25 11:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 18:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-25 19:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-26 16:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-26 20:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-27 10:23 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-27 14:12 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-28 10:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-03 17:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-04 09:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-09-04 10:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-04 11:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-04 17:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-04 23:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-05 01:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 09:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-07 12:20 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-07 16:56 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 17:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-07 21:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-09-08 00:01 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 08:19 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-09-08 22:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 22:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-09-09 21:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-10 19:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 22:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 22:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 06:16 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 15:56 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 16:53 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-08 10:40 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-08 23:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 06:18 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 16:01 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-09 10:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-09 10:56 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 17:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-10 05:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-10 05:14 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 09:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-07 21:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-25 12:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 18:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-22 19:15 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-23 06:52 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:42 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-26 18:55 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-26 21:41 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-27 00:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-27 01:49 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-27 08:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-27 11:05 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-28 08:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-28 07:15 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-29 10:18 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-29 12:27 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-08-29 23:41 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-31 10:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-28 12:13 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-28 15:33 +0200
                OT: Secure Boot (was: Re: StageFright: QuickFix) Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-29 10:15 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-03 17:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-04 09:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-04 17:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-04 23:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-07 09:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-09-09 00:57 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-09-09 11:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-24 12:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 17:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-24 21:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-25 18:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-08-26 18:57 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-10 18:25 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 02:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-11 17:40 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 00:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 08:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 17:55 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 01:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 01:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 03:53 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-14 10:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 08:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-21 13:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-21 13:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-21 14:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 10:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-24 11:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 16:45 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-24 20:57 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-13 17:29 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-14 00:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-14 01:57 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 11:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-13 17:46 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Hergen Lehmann <hlehmann.expires.5-11@snafu.de> - 2015-08-10 18:27 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-10 11:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-10 12:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Alexander Goetzenstein <alexander_goetzenstein@web.de> - 2015-08-10 12:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-10 23:48 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 02:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-11 17:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 17:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-12 10:25 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 13:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-12 13:36 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 17:09 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-12 17:55 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-13 11:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 03:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-12 20:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 22:01 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-12 21:01 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-13 12:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-13 14:03 +0000
                OT: optimale Schaltkulisse, war: Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-08-13 20:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-14 11:16 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-13 00:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 03:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-15 02:42 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-17 02:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-17 14:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-17 17:58 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-17 18:37 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-18 01:36 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-08-18 10:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-18 17:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-18 01:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 06:42 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-18 17:15 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 04:08 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:46 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:43 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-19 13:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:39 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-19 18:07 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:12 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:59 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Harald Klotz" <klotz@freenet.de> - 2015-08-19 21:10 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-13 11:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Thomas Einzel <usenet-2015@einzel.de> - 2015-08-13 13:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 17:51 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 23:44 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-13 19:25 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:11 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-14 17:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-12 17:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-13 16:28 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:18 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 18:04 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-10 18:18 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-11 02:19 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Helmut@Hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) - 2015-08-11 07:19 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-11 17:29 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-12 00:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 17:37 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-12 00:47 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-12 17:43 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 00:38 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-13 17:11 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-13 23:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-14 16:14 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-14 11:25 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-14 20:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 11:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-19 23:05 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-20 10:17 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-22 19:24 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-22 21:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-23 10:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-24 10:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Axel Berger <Axel_Berger@B.Maus.De> - 2015-08-24 13:50 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-14 16:20 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-15 00:14 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-15 15:53 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-15 22:16 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-16 17:36 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-17 00:54 +0200
                Computer in der Jugend (was: StageFright: QuickFix) Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-17 18:14 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-19 12:04 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Andreas Kohlbach <aug15.7.ankman@spamgourmet.net> - 2015-08-19 18:12 -0400
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-13 11:26 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-07 00:18 +0000
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-07 02:28 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2015-08-10 17:15 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-08-06 21:12 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-06 23:39 +0000
          Re: StageFright: QuickFix Juergen Kah <machnixx@arcor.de> - 2015-08-08 23:56 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-08-09 11:51 +0000
  Re: StageFright: QuickFix Markus Fuenfrocken <markus@fuenfrocken.de> - 2015-07-28 10:29 +0200
    Re: StageFright: QuickFix "Andreas M. Kirchwitz" <amk@spamfence.net> - 2015-07-28 10:42 +0000
  Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-08-31 07:48 +0200
    Re: StageFright: QuickFix Christian Steins <cs01@quantentunnel.de> - 2015-09-08 11:31 +0200
      Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-17 15:52 +0200
        Re: StageFright: QuickFix Rolf Buenning <DerRolf@NurFuerSpam.de> - 2015-09-21 09:03 +0200
          Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 09:57 +0200
            Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-21 12:21 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 13:02 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-21 13:49 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 15:06 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-21 14:51 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-21 17:03 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-22 06:23 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-22 08:30 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Peter Lemken <df5jt@bloatware.de> - 2015-09-22 16:53 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2015-09-24 17:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-22 10:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Werner Schmidt <werner1@foni.net> - 2015-09-22 11:28 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-22 23:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-23 12:29 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 11:13 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-23 14:32 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Johann Mayerwieser <johann.mayerwieser@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 14:31 +0000
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-23 14:31 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-21 17:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-21 20:37 +0200
              Re: StageFright: QuickFix Rolf Buenning <DerRolf@NurFuerSpam.de> - 2015-09-23 09:22 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-26 12:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-26 13:26 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Jörg Tewes <jogi1964@gmx.net> - 2015-09-26 14:21 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Matthias Gerds <m.gerds@posteo.de> - 2015-09-26 15:13 +0200
                Re: StageFright: QuickFix Ralf Brinkmann <ralf.brinkmann.wiesbaden@t-online.de> - 2015-09-26 14:54 +0200
      Re: StageFright: QuickFix Christian Steins <cs01@quantentunnel.de> - 2015-11-10 13:13 +0100

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